Comments on: The Right to Bear Arms in DC http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:59:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Stephen Hardy http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87833 Stephen Hardy Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:49:40 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87833 Michelle: You have an excellent memory and I am impressed. *smiles* Michelle:

You have an excellent memory and I am impressed.

*smiles*

]]> By: Michele Ketcham http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87829 Michele Ketcham Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:36:04 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87829 Stephen: you asked if I remember the no-voice thing at Gallaudet. Yes, I remember it very well. Nancy Rarus and Cindy Bailes (who were principals of KDES and MSSD at that time) both tried to set up no-voice policy in an attempt to help their hearing teachers & staff move their signing more closer to ASL. You're right, Congress did tell Jordan that he had to withdraw that policy "or else"! That incident made me realize that Deaf people need to be financially independent and not depend on hearing people financially, because as long as we take money from hearing people (like Congress or whatever), Deaf people will always have a hard time with putting their cultural philosophy into practice. Stephen, I am not sure that Gallaudet is now really "using ASL in classrooms"...I know they have recently updated their mission to include ASL, but we need to give it at least a year and see if *ALL* teachers & staff at Gallaudet *really* use ASL, and not Sim-Com or SEE or whatever. Stephen: you asked if I remember the no-voice thing at Gallaudet. Yes, I remember it very well. Nancy Rarus and Cindy Bailes (who were principals of KDES and MSSD at that time) both tried to set up no-voice policy in an attempt to help their hearing teachers & staff move their signing more closer to ASL.

You’re right, Congress did tell Jordan that he had to withdraw that policy “or else”!

That incident made me realize that Deaf people need to be financially independent and not depend on hearing people financially, because as long as we take money from hearing people (like Congress or whatever), Deaf people will always have a hard time with putting their cultural philosophy into practice.

Stephen, I am not sure that Gallaudet is now really “using ASL in classrooms”…I know they have recently updated their mission to include ASL, but we need to give it at least a year and see if *ALL* teachers & staff at Gallaudet *really* use ASL, and not Sim-Com or SEE or whatever.

]]> By: A Deaf Pundit http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87785 A Deaf Pundit Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:14:08 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87785 Stephen, there's nothing wrong with ASL, and yes it is a language. But you are being tested on French, or English, and if you want to pass that class, you have to know THAT language. Stephen, there’s nothing wrong with ASL, and yes it is a language. But you are being tested on French, or English, and if you want to pass that class, you have to know THAT language.

]]> By: mcconnell http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87775 mcconnell Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:08:45 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87775 Not entirely convinced one should be handcuffed all the time in the front and not the back. As the level of uncooperative behavior and violence increases the more the need to handcuff the guy to the back until at last resort, hog tie him. It's a matter of safety, I would think, for both the cuffed person and people around him (ie cops other people). As for English, I agree. You go to college, expect to have good English or at least put the effort in to improve it while you're there. Not entirely convinced one should be handcuffed all the time in the front and not the back. As the level of uncooperative behavior and violence increases the more the need to handcuff the guy to the back until at last resort, hog tie him. It’s a matter of safety, I would think, for both the cuffed person and people around him (ie cops other people).

As for English, I agree. You go to college, expect to have good English or at least put the effort in to improve it while you’re there.

]]> By: Stephen Hardy http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87774 Stephen Hardy Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:58:27 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87774 Playing the devil's advocate this time: If you are studying French in college and should read and write in French. What's wrong with American Sign Language? Is American Sign Language a language or not? Playing the devil’s advocate this time:

If you are studying French in college and should read and write in French. What’s wrong with American Sign Language? Is American Sign Language a language or not?

]]> By: A Deaf Pundit http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87771 A Deaf Pundit Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:44:36 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87771 Couple of points here: Deaf people should be handcuffed in the front. If Dupree was being extremely violent, they could've hog-tied him, then carry him out. I've seen that all the time on the Cops television show. Secondly, choke-holds are ILLEGAL. Police cannot use choke-holds. I am surprised the police officer who did the choke-hold was not arrested and charged for manslaughter. Thirdly, I'm sorry, but if you're attending college, you should be able to write and read English. I agree ASL is equal to English, but you should be able to write a paper in English if you're in college. Couple of points here: Deaf people should be handcuffed in the front. If Dupree was being extremely violent, they could’ve hog-tied him, then carry him out. I’ve seen that all the time on the Cops television show.

Secondly, choke-holds are ILLEGAL. Police cannot use choke-holds. I am surprised the police officer who did the choke-hold was not arrested and charged for manslaughter.

Thirdly, I’m sorry, but if you’re attending college, you should be able to write and read English. I agree ASL is equal to English, but you should be able to write a paper in English if you’re in college.

]]> By: Stephen Hardy http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87768 Stephen Hardy Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:23:52 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87768 Who was the student's Deaf teacher that changed the grade? And it is the same teacher that went to the students house to teach this student how to plan the ASL demonstration against the English department at the front of HMB. People were blaming the mess against the English department chair for not changing the grade back to a "D." It was the Deaf teacher that changed the grade to an "F" and this student went to the chair to protest the grade change. This is what the student was arguing with the chair about before he was killed by DOSS. He was furious and felt that the English department was biased against ASL native signers. This student felt that his grade was changed affects his student status as he has failed English 050 (?)a few times and is not allowed to enroll as a student in the fall. This student was doing well in other courses except that English is not his native language and ASL was his native language. I remember him explaining to me about English on paper and ASL on video is equal in terms of communication. This student's communication argument is very convincing. But at that time ASL was not respected by Gallaudet administration. Today things has changed and Gallaudet finally recognizes ASL and ASL is used in the classroom. Good things happened when I. King Jordan and Fernandes left Gallaudet. Not many people know the whole story and this is important to remind why this student was fighting for what he believed in. He wanted ASL to be equal with English in terms of communication. He was denied ASL and when he made the video in ASL defining English and that was awesome but Gallaudet does not allow that at that time. Who was the student’s Deaf teacher that changed the grade? And it is the same teacher that went to the students house to teach this student how to plan the ASL demonstration against the English department at the front of HMB.

People were blaming the mess against the English department chair for not changing the grade back to a “D.” It was the Deaf teacher that changed the grade to an “F” and this student went to the chair to protest the grade change.

This is what the student was arguing with the chair about before he was killed by DOSS. He was furious and felt that the English department was biased against ASL native signers.

This student felt that his grade was changed affects his student status as he has failed English 050 (?)a few times and is not allowed to enroll as a student in the fall. This student was doing well in other courses except that English is not his native language and ASL was his native language.

I remember him explaining to me about English on paper and ASL on video is equal in terms of communication. This student’s communication argument is very convincing. But at that time ASL was not respected by Gallaudet administration.

Today things has changed and Gallaudet finally recognizes ASL and ASL is used in the classroom. Good things happened when I. King Jordan and Fernandes left Gallaudet.

Not many people know the whole story and this is important to remind why this student was fighting for what he believed in. He wanted ASL to be equal with English in terms of communication. He was denied ASL and when he made the video in ASL defining English and that was awesome but Gallaudet does not allow that at that time.

]]> By: mcconnell http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87765 mcconnell Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:42:55 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87765 I was there, too. As for cuffing, when should cuffing not be used on a deaf person by police? What about dangerous ones? Cuff or not to cuff? I've always wondered about that on just how far and permissible should it be to handcuff a deaf person and under what circumstances. I was there, too. As for cuffing, when should cuffing not be used on a deaf person by police? What about dangerous ones? Cuff or not to cuff? I’ve always wondered about that on just how far and permissible should it be to handcuff a deaf person and under what circumstances.

]]> By: Stephen Hardy http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87757 Stephen Hardy Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:34:32 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87757 DOSS was at the conference held at Gallaudet for campus police. When it happened look how many campus police stormed out of a meeting trying to stop this student. What a bad example DOSS showed. DOSS should never put his arm around this students neck! The movement was to cuff the student due to his body size and they had a hard timehandcuffing him. Then this student's face turned blue and then un-handcuffed the student and started CPR. The student's windpipe was broken and no way for air to get into his lungs. I remembered this student wanted to use ASL video instead of writing but no one from the English department would back him up. This student lead a demonstration about using ASL (video taping their works) months before he was killed by DOSS. He was on the HOT seat for promoting ASL at Gallaudet. Do you remember the issue at Kendall using voice -off mode? To encourage teachers who do not sign ASL well to improve their signing skills. King Jordan got a call from the government and went to Kendall to put a stop on this. Gallaudet at that time were against ASL in the classroom. Yes, his children were inside Ely center and had no clue of what is happening to their father who was in the stairwell fighting for his life. DOSS was at the conference held at Gallaudet for campus police. When it happened look how many campus police stormed out of a meeting trying to stop this student. What a bad example DOSS showed. DOSS should never put his arm around this students neck! The movement was to cuff the student due to his body size and they had a hard timehandcuffing him. Then this student’s face turned blue and then un-handcuffed the student and started CPR. The student’s windpipe was broken and no way for air to get into his lungs.

I remembered this student wanted to use ASL video instead of writing but no one from the English department would back him up. This student lead a demonstration about using ASL (video taping their works) months before he was killed by DOSS. He was on the HOT seat for promoting ASL at Gallaudet. Do you remember the issue at Kendall using voice -off mode? To encourage teachers who do not sign ASL well to improve their signing skills. King Jordan got a call from the government and went to Kendall to put a stop on this. Gallaudet at that time were against ASL in the classroom.

Yes, his children were inside Ely center and had no clue of what is happening to their father who was in the stairwell fighting for his life.

]]> By: Michele Ketcham http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87749 Michele Ketcham Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:31:35 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/shane-feldman/2007-09-05/the-right-to-bear-arms-in-dc/#comment-87749 Stephen, I'll fill in the details, since I was there, too, at that time. You're talking about Carl Dupree. He was upset about getting a lousy grade over one of his papers, and he went to Nancy Kensicki (who was the Chair of English dept at that time) to talk about that grade. He didn't like what she told him and stormed off. Kensicki called DOSS, and DOSS basically followed Dupree. Dupree kept telling DOSS to stop following him, since he intended to meet his family in the Ely Center. But DOSS wouldn't listen to him and they eventually caught up with him in Ely Center and as you said, got him on the floor and choked him. Dupree was unable to tell DOSS that he couldn't breathe *because* when DOSS took him down, they HANDCUFFED him. So he had no way of communicating with DOSS. And if you remember, there was an uproar about DOSS handcuffing a Deaf person, since that essentially prevents that person from signing. Stephen, I’ll fill in the details, since I was there, too, at that time.

You’re talking about Carl Dupree. He was upset about getting a lousy grade over one of his papers, and he went to Nancy Kensicki (who was the Chair of English dept at that time) to talk about that grade.

He didn’t like what she told him and stormed off. Kensicki called DOSS, and DOSS basically followed Dupree.

Dupree kept telling DOSS to stop following him, since he intended to meet his family in the Ely Center. But DOSS wouldn’t listen to him and they eventually caught up with him in Ely Center and as you said, got him on the floor and choked him.

Dupree was unable to tell DOSS that he couldn’t breathe *because* when DOSS took him down, they HANDCUFFED him. So he had no way of communicating with DOSS.

And if you remember, there was an uproar about DOSS handcuffing a Deaf person, since that essentially prevents that person from signing.

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