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	<title>Comments on: The Cultural Divide: Deafness in the Family</title>
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		<title>By: David Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/julie-feldman/2007-02-08/the-cultural-divide-deafness-in-the-family/#comment-78828</link>
		<dc:creator>David Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmm... lowered expectations is most likely a factor as well. I think you're right about that. So the next logical question is, what do we do about this? How do we encourage higher expectations across the board? I know it's not a new question, but it's certainly something we all need to consider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmm&#8230; lowered expectations is most likely a factor as well. I think you&#8217;re right about that. So the next logical question is, what do we do about this? How do we encourage higher expectations across the board? I know it&#8217;s not a new question, but it&#8217;s certainly something we all need to consider.</p>
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		<title>By: A Deaf Pundit</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/julie-feldman/2007-02-08/the-cultural-divide-deafness-in-the-family/#comment-78819</link>
		<dc:creator>A Deaf Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. Good question! 

I do think that our community is somewhat reflective of society's evolution, but I also think it has to do with our norms, values and with how much you're educated. 

I mean, when you think about it, we've been basically institutionalized to believe that we can only do so much. We can be only educated up to a certain point, and so on. So I think that has a factor in people's attitudes regarding critical thinking. We as a whole, have not been taught how to use it properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. Good question! </p>
<p>I do think that our community is somewhat reflective of society&#8217;s evolution, but I also think it has to do with our norms, values and with how much you&#8217;re educated. </p>
<p>I mean, when you think about it, we&#8217;ve been basically institutionalized to believe that we can only do so much. We can be only educated up to a certain point, and so on. So I think that has a factor in people&#8217;s attitudes regarding critical thinking. We as a whole, have not been taught how to use it properly.</p>
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		<title>By: David Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/julie-feldman/2007-02-08/the-cultural-divide-deafness-in-the-family/#comment-78795</link>
		<dc:creator>David Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/julie-feldman/2007-02-08/the-cultural-divide-deafness-in-the-family/#comment-78795</guid>
		<description>Deaf Pundit, I wonder if it's not just a "deaf" or "Gallaudet" thing, but part of a social change in our society as well? After all, today's media generally treats everything as a sound bite or snippet, and our culture these days seems to thrive on bits and pieces, and not so much on longer articles, televised pieces, blog posts, blog comments, etc., etc. Also, there is a larger trend towards more sensationalistic news than previously (although sensationalism isn't new; pulp fiction and entertainment rags were certainly popular 50-60 years ago, just as they are now!). A good example is my flight back from DC. I got lucky and was on Song for the flight home. My seatmate had CNN on, but then promptly fell asleep. For the entire flight, I glanced over periodically, and it was Anna Nicole Smith nonstop for the entire flight. To me, that's indicative of the priorities our society has. Perhaps our own community is just reflective of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deaf Pundit, I wonder if it&#8217;s not just a &#8220;deaf&#8221; or &#8220;Gallaudet&#8221; thing, but part of a social change in our society as well? After all, today&#8217;s media generally treats everything as a sound bite or snippet, and our culture these days seems to thrive on bits and pieces, and not so much on longer articles, televised pieces, blog posts, blog comments, etc., etc. Also, there is a larger trend towards more sensationalistic news than previously (although sensationalism isn&#8217;t new; pulp fiction and entertainment rags were certainly popular 50-60 years ago, just as they are now!). A good example is my flight back from DC. I got lucky and was on Song for the flight home. My seatmate had CNN on, but then promptly fell asleep. For the entire flight, I glanced over periodically, and it was Anna Nicole Smith nonstop for the entire flight. To me, that&#8217;s indicative of the priorities our society has. Perhaps our own community is just reflective of that.</p>
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		<title>By: David Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/julie-feldman/2007-02-08/the-cultural-divide-deafness-in-the-family/#comment-78794</link>
		<dc:creator>David Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/julie-feldman/2007-02-08/the-cultural-divide-deafness-in-the-family/#comment-78794</guid>
		<description>I don't think hospitals/med schools provide sensitivity training to the extent that they should. They certainly don't provide much information on deafness aside from the usual pathological/medical facts that doctors need to know. It's why I suggested during the conference that perhaps such a lecture/training session be done at every med school around. 

A good, thoughtful post as always!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think hospitals/med schools provide sensitivity training to the extent that they should. They certainly don&#8217;t provide much information on deafness aside from the usual pathological/medical facts that doctors need to know. It&#8217;s why I suggested during the conference that perhaps such a lecture/training session be done at every med school around. </p>
<p>A good, thoughtful post as always!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Heuer</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/julie-feldman/2007-02-08/the-cultural-divide-deafness-in-the-family/#comment-78778</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Heuer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Deaf Pundit:

Very true.  I just wish people would understand that our identities aren't just WHAT we are, but WHEN we are what we are.  

Another example: You're Italian?  I'm German.  In fact my family is probably one or two generations removed from being about as German as you can get.  My grandparents and most of my great uncles and aunts have since passed away but when I was a kid there was as much German flying back and forth at confirmations (a Lutheran thing) and family dinners as there was English.

Now... am I still German?  It makes up a part of who and what I am, so that makes that part a "what," technically... sort of an abstract... "thing" (in the noun sense) within me.  But technically there should also be a TIME, or times, when I'm acting or being more German than at others (such as those confirmations or those family dinners of yore).

Think about it... everyone asks us: "Are you Deaf?"  The very question limits the answer to "yes" or "no."  But since very few of us are ALWAYS something... isn't the more honest answer to that question "no?"  

But if a person asked: "Are you going to choose to be Deaf right here and right now?", then many of us could quite honestly answer "Yes!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Deaf Pundit:</p>
<p>Very true.  I just wish people would understand that our identities aren&#8217;t just WHAT we are, but WHEN we are what we are.  </p>
<p>Another example: You&#8217;re Italian?  I&#8217;m German.  In fact my family is probably one or two generations removed from being about as German as you can get.  My grandparents and most of my great uncles and aunts have since passed away but when I was a kid there was as much German flying back and forth at confirmations (a Lutheran thing) and family dinners as there was English.</p>
<p>Now&#8230; am I still German?  It makes up a part of who and what I am, so that makes that part a &#8220;what,&#8221; technically&#8230; sort of an abstract&#8230; &#8220;thing&#8221; (in the noun sense) within me.  But technically there should also be a TIME, or times, when I&#8217;m acting or being more German than at others (such as those confirmations or those family dinners of yore).</p>
<p>Think about it&#8230; everyone asks us: &#8220;Are you Deaf?&#8221;  The very question limits the answer to &#8220;yes&#8221; or &#8220;no.&#8221;  But since very few of us are ALWAYS something&#8230; isn&#8217;t the more honest answer to that question &#8220;no?&#8221;  </p>
<p>But if a person asked: &#8220;Are you going to choose to be Deaf right here and right now?&#8221;, then many of us could quite honestly answer &#8220;Yes!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: A Deaf Pundit</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/julie-feldman/2007-02-08/the-cultural-divide-deafness-in-the-family/#comment-78777</link>
		<dc:creator>A Deaf Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/julie-feldman/2007-02-08/the-cultural-divide-deafness-in-the-family/#comment-78777</guid>
		<description>I've always viewed it as it being one piece of the puzzle that mkaes up me. My deafness is a huge part of me, but it's not everything. I'm also liberal, Italian, female, and so on. My identity is always evolving. To not evolve is to become stagnant... 

I think your deaf identity comes from how you view your own deafness. I don't view my deafness as something that's pathological - something that has to be fixed, or something to be ashamed of, or something to 'overcome'. 

I view it as an integral part of what makes me, me. I don't want to take it away, because to take that away, will have a drastic impact on who I am. 

Fundamentally, I am who I am, deafness and everything else thrown in. And the world will have to deal with it one way or another. 

~ Deaf Pundit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always viewed it as it being one piece of the puzzle that mkaes up me. My deafness is a huge part of me, but it&#8217;s not everything. I&#8217;m also liberal, Italian, female, and so on. My identity is always evolving. To not evolve is to become stagnant&#8230; </p>
<p>I think your deaf identity comes from how you view your own deafness. I don&#8217;t view my deafness as something that&#8217;s pathological - something that has to be fixed, or something to be ashamed of, or something to &#8216;overcome&#8217;. </p>
<p>I view it as an integral part of what makes me, me. I don&#8217;t want to take it away, because to take that away, will have a drastic impact on who I am. </p>
<p>Fundamentally, I am who I am, deafness and everything else thrown in. And the world will have to deal with it one way or another. </p>
<p>~ Deaf Pundit</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Heuer</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/julie-feldman/2007-02-08/the-cultural-divide-deafness-in-the-family/#comment-78776</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Heuer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Julie:

Yeah, it makes sense.  True freedom is choice, and the more choices one has, the more truly "free" one is.  The paradox, however, is that one is never truly free from the consequences of his or her choices, and the more choices you have, the more potential consequences there are.

Which is why I always find it kind of stupid when people sternly warn others by saying "You have to realize that choices come with consequnces."  It's so true, it's meaningless--especially as a threat.  ALL choices come with consequences... including the choice not to make a choice.  Therefore you're ALREADY LIVING with the consequences of every previous choice you've ever made, and if you could truly tolerate that, you wouldn't be looking for new options.  

You can apply that argument to the abstract concept known as "Deaf Identity."  Why should such an identity consist of just one choice, and not a series of choices?  Why should it consist of a choice in only one area (such as the language one will use) and not a series of choices in a number of areas (such as the type of language one will use in a particular setting at a particular time, but not in another setting in a different time)?  When "Deaf" people (as if it is possible to establish a set of criteria by which a person can "choose" to be "Deaf" in ALL situations at ALL times) argue that they want people to embrace their culture and language, what do they mean?  Does such embracing involve only one choice at on time in one place, or does it encompass several choices in various settings over time?

I SLOWLY, for example, gave up SIMCOM and turned my voice off in the classroom.  Am I less "Deaf" because it took me about twenty years instead of one day?  If you must know, it was literacy research that finally convinced me to do so, along with the arguments of several people I met over the course of my life.  

However in the spirit of full disclosure I also have to add that I feel no real need to switch my voice off when talking to my wife in the privacy of our own home.  Does that choice make me not "Deaf?"  A question such as that is too narrow to cover the complexities of identity (and the freedom to constantly choose and therefore reinvent one's identity).  A better question might be: if I make that particular choice (to use my voice) in that particular setting (the privacy of my own home) at that particular time (when talking with my hearing wife, for example, as opposed to talking with a Deaf visitor), and the consequence of that choice is to be "not Deaf" in that particular time and setting, does making a different choice (to not use my voice) in a different time and setting (such as in my classroom during class time) render me "Deaf" again?

Complicated, hm?  Yet not really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Julie:</p>
<p>Yeah, it makes sense.  True freedom is choice, and the more choices one has, the more truly &#8220;free&#8221; one is.  The paradox, however, is that one is never truly free from the consequences of his or her choices, and the more choices you have, the more potential consequences there are.</p>
<p>Which is why I always find it kind of stupid when people sternly warn others by saying &#8220;You have to realize that choices come with consequnces.&#8221;  It&#8217;s so true, it&#8217;s meaningless&#8211;especially as a threat.  ALL choices come with consequences&#8230; including the choice not to make a choice.  Therefore you&#8217;re ALREADY LIVING with the consequences of every previous choice you&#8217;ve ever made, and if you could truly tolerate that, you wouldn&#8217;t be looking for new options.  </p>
<p>You can apply that argument to the abstract concept known as &#8220;Deaf Identity.&#8221;  Why should such an identity consist of just one choice, and not a series of choices?  Why should it consist of a choice in only one area (such as the language one will use) and not a series of choices in a number of areas (such as the type of language one will use in a particular setting at a particular time, but not in another setting in a different time)?  When &#8220;Deaf&#8221; people (as if it is possible to establish a set of criteria by which a person can &#8220;choose&#8221; to be &#8220;Deaf&#8221; in ALL situations at ALL times) argue that they want people to embrace their culture and language, what do they mean?  Does such embracing involve only one choice at on time in one place, or does it encompass several choices in various settings over time?</p>
<p>I SLOWLY, for example, gave up SIMCOM and turned my voice off in the classroom.  Am I less &#8220;Deaf&#8221; because it took me about twenty years instead of one day?  If you must know, it was literacy research that finally convinced me to do so, along with the arguments of several people I met over the course of my life.  </p>
<p>However in the spirit of full disclosure I also have to add that I feel no real need to switch my voice off when talking to my wife in the privacy of our own home.  Does that choice make me not &#8220;Deaf?&#8221;  A question such as that is too narrow to cover the complexities of identity (and the freedom to constantly choose and therefore reinvent one&#8217;s identity).  A better question might be: if I make that particular choice (to use my voice) in that particular setting (the privacy of my own home) at that particular time (when talking with my hearing wife, for example, as opposed to talking with a Deaf visitor), and the consequence of that choice is to be &#8220;not Deaf&#8221; in that particular time and setting, does making a different choice (to not use my voice) in a different time and setting (such as in my classroom during class time) render me &#8220;Deaf&#8221; again?</p>
<p>Complicated, hm?  Yet not really.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Feldman</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/julie-feldman/2007-02-08/the-cultural-divide-deafness-in-the-family/#comment-78775</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also regarding your earlier comment (#78745), maybe it has something to do with how we Americans are never satisfied with what we get - we're always in search of a better bargain.  See how bombarded we are with choices everywhere we go?  Perhaps people resign to their bad karma because they've grown up learning how to "make do" with their few choices.  I don't know - does this at all make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also regarding your earlier comment (#78745), maybe it has something to do with how we Americans are never satisfied with what we get - we&#8217;re always in search of a better bargain.  See how bombarded we are with choices everywhere we go?  Perhaps people resign to their bad karma because they&#8217;ve grown up learning how to &#8220;make do&#8221; with their few choices.  I don&#8217;t know - does this at all make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I DO believe it is caused by our karma from past lives, but it is the attitude that should be changed.  That's the point.  People should move on and accept it and see what CAN be done, not "resign" to their "bad karma".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I DO believe it is caused by our karma from past lives, but it is the attitude that should be changed.  That&#8217;s the point.  People should move on and accept it and see what CAN be done, not &#8220;resign&#8221; to their &#8220;bad karma&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Feldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This kind of reminds me of how Stephen Hawkings astounded physicists with his information paradox - if his (original, it's since then been revised) theory was correct, the many laws as we know them in physics would have been flagrantly invalidated.  Although... eventually, all the theories would have to be somehow reconcilied in "unification".  ALong that same line of thinking, I sometimes wonder if we should just allow for some parallelism instead of imposing so much of our western-based philosophy on the next generation.  I see many good things that we should be learning from traditional eastern practice... but unfortunately, we seem to greatly devalue its presence in this country.  In the eyes of your Sri Lankan's Buddhist family, bad karma is very much valid even though many of us would view it as a joke.   I guess we do that out of fear and superstition.. where'd that come from?  Our American egocentrism?

BTW, I would love to see how your deaf teachers taught hearing kids to read, as I had been told that the phonetic approach is truly the "only" way.  Do you know of any good sources that I could peruse?

Insightful comment, thanks for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of reminds me of how Stephen Hawkings astounded physicists with his information paradox - if his (original, it&#8217;s since then been revised) theory was correct, the many laws as we know them in physics would have been flagrantly invalidated.  Although&#8230; eventually, all the theories would have to be somehow reconcilied in &#8220;unification&#8221;.  ALong that same line of thinking, I sometimes wonder if we should just allow for some parallelism instead of imposing so much of our western-based philosophy on the next generation.  I see many good things that we should be learning from traditional eastern practice&#8230; but unfortunately, we seem to greatly devalue its presence in this country.  In the eyes of your Sri Lankan&#8217;s Buddhist family, bad karma is very much valid even though many of us would view it as a joke.   I guess we do that out of fear and superstition.. where&#8217;d that come from?  Our American egocentrism?</p>
<p>BTW, I would love to see how your deaf teachers taught hearing kids to read, as I had been told that the phonetic approach is truly the &#8220;only&#8221; way.  Do you know of any good sources that I could peruse?</p>
<p>Insightful comment, thanks for sharing.</p>
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