Comments on: Bubbles in the Sky http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/ Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:03:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: DeafLinux http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-47421 DeafLinux Sat, 09 Dec 2006 05:22:27 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-47421 This is a political argument in most states. Deaf schools isolated from the mainstream are considered as segregation. I have been a Deaf school product until I was put in a "special class" and regular classes. I can compare based on my experience. Deaf schools are excellent because we can work together as students who can communicate using ASL. The bad part is that most teachers in the 1960-70's era cannot sign. I speak well for a Deaf person and most of the time I had to interpret what the teachers were saying in the classroom. Most Deaf students from that era were proactive in helping one another and you will see why most students became advocates later in life. Special class program (self-contained) in middle school gave me an opportunity to learn language using a one-on-one method. After I completed middle school and went to high school. I had no interpreters and at that time there were no laws for that. I asked teachers to face me in the front of the classroom so I can try to read lips. Teachers tend to forget and speak while writing something on the blackboard. I got frustrated and gave up after so many reminders. Today, I see many accommodations for students within the mainstream programs and this is an excellent option for students who which to chose this route. As for Deaf schools and they need to improve the communication system just like Gallaudet. I am not against any other communication methods used; nevertheless, if a student can communicate using cued-speech, spoken-English and including ASL. I believe in total communication and I know Deaf people will attack me for this comment. It is very important that a person can convey their messages to anyone who is listening and not just Deaf people only. Gallaudet is a model and should include whatever language, modes, tools to help students achieve. Lambasting on students because they are using communication tools is really unjust. Most students from hearing families most likely to do well in a Deaf residential schools and only if they are not communicating with their parents or siblings at home. Anyone who has strong communication skills will fare well in a mainstream school setting. The bottom line is how much lag the Deaf child has with language delay. A language delayed child will not be able to compete with the hearing child in a hearing mainstream settings and this will possibility destroy the child’s learning process. Therefore; Deaf schools are not segregated based on what most politicians think. This is a political argument in most states. Deaf schools isolated from the mainstream are considered as segregation. I have been a Deaf school product until I was put in a “special class” and regular classes. I can compare based on my experience. Deaf schools are excellent because we can work together as students who can communicate using ASL. The bad part is that most teachers in the 1960-70’s era cannot sign. I speak well for a Deaf person and most of the time I had to interpret what the teachers were saying in the classroom.

Most Deaf students from that era were proactive in helping one another and you will see why most students became advocates later in life.

Special class program (self-contained) in middle school gave me an opportunity to learn language using a one-on-one method. After I completed middle school and went to high school. I had no interpreters and at that time there were no laws for that. I asked teachers to face me in the front of the classroom so I can try to read lips. Teachers tend to forget and speak while writing something on the blackboard. I got frustrated and gave up after so many reminders.

Today, I see many accommodations for students within the mainstream programs and this is an excellent option for students who which to chose this route. As for Deaf schools and they need to improve the communication system just like Gallaudet. I am not against any other communication methods used; nevertheless, if a student can communicate using cued-speech, spoken-English and including ASL. I believe in total communication and I know Deaf people will attack me for this comment. It is very important that a person can convey their messages to anyone who is listening and not just Deaf people only.

Gallaudet is a model and should include whatever language, modes, tools to help students achieve. Lambasting on students because they are using communication tools is really unjust.

Most students from hearing families most likely to do well in a Deaf residential schools and only if they are not communicating with their parents or siblings at home. Anyone who has strong communication skills will fare well in a mainstream school setting.

The bottom line is how much lag the Deaf child has with language delay. A language delayed child will not be able to compete with the hearing child in a hearing mainstream settings and this will possibility destroy the child’s learning process.

Therefore; Deaf schools are not segregated based on what most politicians think.

]]> By: Noelle http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42884 Noelle Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:20:54 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42884 I agree with most of the post. I think Gallaudet shouldn't exclusively be a Deaf center, because that limits its educational purpose to be an university for all deaf people. And, yes, academic standards do need to be raised. There's no reason to accept deaf people with a 3rd grade reading level if it takes them six or eight years to graduate. I agree with most of the post. I think Gallaudet shouldn’t exclusively be a Deaf center, because that limits its educational purpose to be an university for all deaf people. And, yes, academic standards do need to be raised. There’s no reason to accept deaf people with a 3rd grade reading level if it takes them six or eight years to graduate.

]]> By: Katherine http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42552 Katherine Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:09:14 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42552 I asked for the above post to be deleted, not the other one where I posted under Anonymous. Thanks! I asked for the above post to be deleted, not the other one where I posted under Anonymous. Thanks!

]]> By: Katherine http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42551 Katherine Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:07:48 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42551 It seems principles don’t mean anything nowadays. Those opposite of principles seem to move up and if you want to get there, you have to play their dirty games. It seems principles don’t mean anything nowadays. Those opposite of principles seem to move up and if you want to get there, you have to play their dirty games.

]]> By: joseph rainmound http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42485 joseph rainmound Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:46:16 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42485 America already pays for public education and by not asking religious institutions to pay taxes does in some sense finance religious schools. America already pays for public education and by not asking religious institutions to pay taxes does in some sense finance religious schools.

]]> By: Katherine http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42277 Katherine Tue, 28 Nov 2006 03:00:23 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42277 Here is the link that will have several articles that are revelant to why we need deaf schools. They consist of articles by Leah's father, NAD and a few more who spoke out against the inclusion movement. The titles on the link are as follows: 1) "'Inclusion' Should Not Include Deaf Students" 2) "'Interpreter Isn't Enough!" 3) NAD's Position Statement on Full Inclusion 4) Bad teaching is easier to hide in Full Inclusion 5) Some school districts try to mainstream inappropriately 6) Mainstreaming leads to isolation - a testimonial http://www.zak.co.il/deaf-info/old/inclusion.html Here is the link that will have several articles that are revelant to why we need deaf schools. They consist of articles by Leah’s father, NAD and a few more who spoke out against the inclusion movement. The titles on the link are as follows:

1) “‘Inclusion’ Should Not Include Deaf Students”
2) “‘Interpreter Isn’t Enough!”
3) NAD’s Position Statement on Full Inclusion
4) Bad teaching is easier to hide in Full Inclusion
5) Some school districts try to mainstream inappropriately
6) Mainstreaming leads to isolation - a testimonial

http://www.zak.co.il/deaf-info/old/inclusion.html

]]> By: Katherine http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42274 Katherine Tue, 28 Nov 2006 02:49:56 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42274 It seems principles don't mean anything nowadays. Those opposite of principles seem to move up and if you want to get there, you have to play their dirty games. It seems principles don’t mean anything nowadays.
Those opposite of principles seem to move up and
if you want to get there, you have to play their
dirty games.

]]> By: Katherine http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42273 Katherine Tue, 28 Nov 2006 02:44:08 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42273 If you check this link, it also include other articles. They consists of articles by Leah's father, NAD and a few more that'll be revelant to why we need deaf schools. http://www.zak.co.il/deaf-info/old/inclusion.html If you check this link, it also include other
articles. They consists of articles by Leah’s
father, NAD and a few more that’ll be revelant
to why we need deaf schools.

http://www.zak.co.il/deaf-info/old/inclusion.html

]]> By: Jt http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42194 Jt Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:03:49 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42194 That, I completely understand. I am also tired of people trying to make Gallaudet out to be something it clearly is not; the holy grail of all academia. People, however, who continually cite Bush (or the Iraq war) as their sole source of refutability, are those who have very few aspirations. :) Besides supporting deaf people who are NOT disabled with SSDI, my taxes are also being used to subsidize all sorts of nonsense. Little I can do about that, except whine (which I won't). We already know how far a single vote goes! That, I completely understand. I am also tired of people trying to make Gallaudet out to be something it clearly is not; the holy grail of all academia.

People, however, who continually cite Bush (or the Iraq war) as their sole source of refutability, are those who have very few aspirations. :)

Besides supporting deaf people who are NOT disabled with SSDI, my taxes are also being used to subsidize all sorts of nonsense. Little I can do about that, except whine (which I won’t). We already know how far a single vote goes!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42181 Anonymous Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:26:10 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/juanita-garcia/2006-11-26/bubbles-in-the-sky/#comment-42181 I think the writer has a point about segregating deaf culture and deaf education. Why should American taxpayers pay for Deaf Culture? Gallaudet is not intended to be a repository of Deaf Culture, but an educational institution for all deaf individuals. I think the writer has a point about segregating deaf culture and deaf education. Why should American taxpayers pay for Deaf Culture? Gallaudet is not intended to be a repository of Deaf Culture, but an educational institution for all deaf individuals.

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