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	<title>Comments on: Steak, But Does He Sizzle?</title>
	<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/</link>
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		<title>By: DeafDC Blog &#187; The Bridesmaid Weds</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83338</link>
		<dc:creator>DeafDC Blog &#187; The Bridesmaid Weds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 00:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83338</guid>
		<description>[...] is needed on this series, check out my previous posts on the finalists for the Provost position: William Marshall, Joseph Innes and Stephen [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] is needed on this series, check out my previous posts on the finalists for the Provost position: William Marshall, Joseph Innes and Stephen [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83187</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83187</guid>
		<description>I agree and it is truly embarassing that he acts like this way, given the position he 
is in. It shows that he is without any dignity or regard for anyone.

How he handled the whole thing after the end of the protest allows us to see who he is it could reflect his true motive during the protest, pulling all the strings, to make protestors look bad and to justify his action. His goal was for the protest to go away and have JKF stay on in order to bury what goes wrong, but he failed.

It's interesting to see how incivility on both sides are emphasized now by those who were anti-protest from the beginning that doesn't seem to be mentioned anytime throughout the protest until after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree and it is truly embarassing that he acts like this way, given the position he<br />
is in. It shows that he is without any dignity or regard for anyone.</p>
<p>How he handled the whole thing after the end of the protest allows us to see who he is it could reflect his true motive during the protest, pulling all the strings, to make protestors look bad and to justify his action. His goal was for the protest to go away and have JKF stay on in order to bury what goes wrong, but he failed.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to see how incivility on both sides are emphasized now by those who were anti-protest from the beginning that doesn&#8217;t seem to be mentioned anytime throughout the protest until after.</p>
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		<title>By: DeafDC Blog &#187; Always a Bridesmaid, but a Bride?</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83142</link>
		<dc:creator>DeafDC Blog &#187; Always a Bridesmaid, but a Bride?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83142</guid>
		<description>[...] background on this series, see my first and second [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] background on this series, see my first and second [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: BlueFox</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83139</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueFox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83139</guid>
		<description>I have seen incivility and media violence in the protest. I often wonder why Fernandes has not sued some bloggers and organizations for some false informations against her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen incivility and media violence in the protest. I often wonder why Fernandes has not sued some bloggers and organizations for some false informations against her.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Heuer</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83138</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Heuer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83138</guid>
		<description>S.O.

Yes, I can.  And I already have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S.O.</p>
<p>Yes, I can.  And I already have.</p>
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		<title>By: punkybrewster</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83136</link>
		<dc:creator>punkybrewster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83136</guid>
		<description>He can't do it, he has to present himself as smarter than you.  =) 

I'm sure Chris is a great guy, i'm convinced he's intelligent, but I don't think he likes another Rooster in the hen house. =) 

I personally think, both sides have their faults, but one side could have handled themselves a hell of a lot better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He can&#8217;t do it, he has to present himself as smarter than you.  =) </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Chris is a great guy, i&#8217;m convinced he&#8217;s intelligent, but I don&#8217;t think he likes another Rooster in the hen house. =) </p>
<p>I personally think, both sides have their faults, but one side could have handled themselves a hell of a lot better.</p>
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		<title>By: Silent Observations</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83133</link>
		<dc:creator>Silent Observations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83133</guid>
		<description>Chris, I think most people here get your point (which you have repeatedly stated).  However, can you, at the VERY LEAST, admit that incivility occured on BOTH sides of the protest?  I'm not asking for a long winded explanation (you've done that time and time again), just a simple yes/no answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I think most people here get your point (which you have repeatedly stated).  However, can you, at the VERY LEAST, admit that incivility occured on BOTH sides of the protest?  I&#8217;m not asking for a long winded explanation (you&#8217;ve done that time and time again), just a simple yes/no answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Heuer</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83130</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Heuer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83130</guid>
		<description>Mike, all due respect, I agree it's all about what we perceive incivility to be, and what it pertains to.  For me it's also about drawing the line between civil disobedience and incivility.  Because I definitely believe in civil disobedience.  And I believe in a person's right not just to be heard when he says "no," but also to be heeded when he says "no."  We don't heed somebody when we tell him to go somewhere else if he doesn't like it here (because he MAY like it here--he just doesn't want to do what you want him to do).  We don't heed someone when we tell him to shut his mouth or he'll lose his job.  And we don't heed someone when we label his unhappiness with us, his resistance toward us, as bitching.  Such reactions belittle him, insult him, frighten him, anger him.  How is that civil?  If I did that to you and you simply didn't want to run away and "go someplace else," what recourse would you have left?  Simply give in to me?  What do you think that would do to your spirit?

I don't ask these questions to again endlessly analyze and justify/criticize the protest.  Each and every candidate for the provost position discussed civility and increasing civil discourse on campus.  So sooner or later we're going to have to figure something out: where was incivility on this campus a *reaction,* and where was it the initial action?  Because if we're just going around slapping people in the face and then slapping them a second time to punish them for getting angry, none of this is about their "incivility."  It's about us being sick enough to believe we were justified in slapping them the first time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, all due respect, I agree it&#8217;s all about what we perceive incivility to be, and what it pertains to.  For me it&#8217;s also about drawing the line between civil disobedience and incivility.  Because I definitely believe in civil disobedience.  And I believe in a person&#8217;s right not just to be heard when he says &#8220;no,&#8221; but also to be heeded when he says &#8220;no.&#8221;  We don&#8217;t heed somebody when we tell him to go somewhere else if he doesn&#8217;t like it here (because he MAY like it here&#8211;he just doesn&#8217;t want to do what you want him to do).  We don&#8217;t heed someone when we tell him to shut his mouth or he&#8217;ll lose his job.  And we don&#8217;t heed someone when we label his unhappiness with us, his resistance toward us, as bitching.  Such reactions belittle him, insult him, frighten him, anger him.  How is that civil?  If I did that to you and you simply didn&#8217;t want to run away and &#8220;go someplace else,&#8221; what recourse would you have left?  Simply give in to me?  What do you think that would do to your spirit?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t ask these questions to again endlessly analyze and justify/criticize the protest.  Each and every candidate for the provost position discussed civility and increasing civil discourse on campus.  So sooner or later we&#8217;re going to have to figure something out: where was incivility on this campus a *reaction,* and where was it the initial action?  Because if we&#8217;re just going around slapping people in the face and then slapping them a second time to punish them for getting angry, none of this is about their &#8220;incivility.&#8221;  It&#8217;s about us being sick enough to believe we were justified in slapping them the first time.</p>
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		<title>By: punkybrewster</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83126</link>
		<dc:creator>punkybrewster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83126</guid>
		<description>Hey, this is a blog centered around deaf people, I should have read his blog to get a clue that he was hearing, but you can't blame me for stopping on the first paragraph of his drivel.... he actually believes in unicorns, and that they are the counterintelligence beings for Bush.  My mistake....... (shrugs)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, this is a blog centered around deaf people, I should have read his blog to get a clue that he was hearing, but you can&#8217;t blame me for stopping on the first paragraph of his drivel&#8230;. he actually believes in unicorns, and that they are the counterintelligence beings for Bush.  My mistake&#8230;&#8230;. (shrugs)</p>
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		<title>By: KAE</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83124</link>
		<dc:creator>KAE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/josh-allmann/2007-04-25/steak-but-does-he-sizzle/#comment-83124</guid>
		<description>Mr. McConnell:

You say shutting down the campus was an act of incivility.  I am apalled with your audacity in presenting a one-side argument because you are essentially saying that Jordan's rhetoric-infested and childish op-ed was civil.

He insulted and painted a very awful picture of the deaf community and shamed the institution he is currently employed at.  To me, that is incivility.  He presented himself not in a presidential manner but as a wailing and a spoiled despot who could not accept the fact that his last days were with controversy.  Controversy that he escalated with his own arrogance and extreme prejudice.

The next time you go defending him, I need you to THINK about what he did and the damage he inflicted on the deaf community *and* on YOU just to save his posterior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. McConnell:</p>
<p>You say shutting down the campus was an act of incivility.  I am apalled with your audacity in presenting a one-side argument because you are essentially saying that Jordan&#8217;s rhetoric-infested and childish op-ed was civil.</p>
<p>He insulted and painted a very awful picture of the deaf community and shamed the institution he is currently employed at.  To me, that is incivility.  He presented himself not in a presidential manner but as a wailing and a spoiled despot who could not accept the fact that his last days were with controversy.  Controversy that he escalated with his own arrogance and extreme prejudice.</p>
<p>The next time you go defending him, I need you to THINK about what he did and the damage he inflicted on the deaf community *and* on YOU just to save his posterior.</p>
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