By Scott Van Nice
The growing popularity of Video Relay Services (VRS) demonstrates the old and oft-repeated maxim: “Get something, lose something.” In this case, we are facing the potential loss of access to ample quality sign language interpreters for our classes, career opportunities, doctor appointments or even wedding functions.
For some of the readers here who are unfamiliar with VRS, it involves a deaf user seeing a sign language interpreter for the deaf via a webcam or some equivalent technological appliance when making a call to a hearing person. Once a connection is made between the deaf user and the interpreter, the interpreter then relays the conversation back and forth between the deaf user and the hearing person. See Sorenson Communications detailing what VRS does.
In this posting, I will explain the benefits of VRS services for the deaf and the sign language interpreters. Then I will demonstrate why the popularity of VRS services should be vetted carefully. Finally, I will outline the steps that the deaf community may take to ensure that the VRS services does not create an economic divide where those who have the resources can receive sign language interpreters and get ahead while those that do not will end up being left behind.
Right now, there is no doubt that VRS services are remarkable for both sides of the fence. VRS has allowed deaf people to feel that they are on an equal playing field with their colleagues. They can make a reservation at a restaurant that may not have time to listen to an IP relay operator or be able to speed through a maze of touchtone options. In addition, VRS services have created many job opportunities for the deaf in various technological or management positions.
From the interpreters’ perspective, VRS provides a variety of choices and offers higher salaries, more flexible hours and several other tangible benefits. The tangible benefits usually involve increased recognition while being provided opportunities to receive management training, education, credits, and travel to conferences. More importantly, the market for interpreters has broadened considerably due to the increased chances of getting a job quickly upon graduation with an interpreting degree. Finally, if they work at a VRS location, then they are able to pick up the different nuances and signing accents that all of us possess.
Yet, VRS services have resulted in a marked decrease of qualified community sign language interpreters. Each new VRS center saps the number of interpreters available from the local community. See the latest list of Sorenson locations that are being set up which includes this comment:
Additional Sorenson VRS Interpreting Centers are opening monthly in various regional locations around the nation.
It should also be noted that Sorenson is not the only company setting up VRS centers; all the other VRS companies are also expanding their locations but as of now, detailed comparisons are difficult to procure because Sorenson is the only company that has made comprehensive information about its VRS centers available to the public.
In the meantime, the effect of VRS centers on local deaf communities has not gone unnoticed. See Sorenson detailing looming VRS shortage. In other words, the impact on those not working in a fully inclusive signing environment is substantial. For example, before VRS services grew at an exponential rate, I had a sign language interpreter on an average of three to four times a week for several meetings. I felt empowered while meeting the company’s expectations of my work. Now, I find myself competing for interpreters which have caused me to scale back my meetings and my involvement in the corporate environment. I have started to search for alternative solutions and right now, in the meantime, I can see my career being impacted to an extent because I have had to cancel meetings, ask other people to present in my place, and turn down an opportunity to travel. I no longer feel as empowered as I did before.
Furthermore, my problems do not end when I go home. During the evenings, I am a part-time law student, and receiving interpreters has not always been easy. That is why I deeply appreciate my interpreters because many interpret during the day and then work as a part-time VRS employee in the evening. Often those interpreters who work as a full-time VRS employee are not interested in working in the evenings.
At one point, I had to hire a private sign language interpreter to interpret for me on the Trial Advocacy team for a law school competition because she has strong sign-to-voice skills. The school, at the time, didn’t understand that just knowing sign language does not automatically mean that an interpreter can voice well. Misunderstandings, even on the slightest scale, can be fraught with peril when you are making precise legal arguments. More recently, I had to persuade another top sign language interpreter to interpret at a recent Adoption Law moot court tournament. The evening practices took a heavy toll on her because she works as a community interpreter and also at VRS locations in the evenings.
Both scenarios ended well but I learned two lessons. First, I was lucky because I had several resources available to me as well as my friendship with several interpreters who understood my situation and tried to help me. Second, the overall experience left me feeling cynical once I spoke to several well established leaders in the deaf community regarding the interpreter shortage. Some concluded that the reason why more deaf people aren’t concerned about this issue is because they don’t care. One person told me that I could carry a webcam with me or arrange VRS/VRI (Video Relay Interpreting) services for every meeting. Another person observed that many in the deaf community work in a near inclusive signing environment or prefer little interaction with hearing people so the issue is not as important to many of them.
I didn’t appreciate those comments because each of us likely know deaf people who have entered various fields e.g. engineering, law, medicine, public policy or graduate studies. In addition, many young deaf and hard of hearing high school students are heading off to various colleges as a result of even more accommodations being made available for them; not all of them are limiting their options to CSUN, NTID/RIT or Gallaudet University. But, if we don’t come up with ways to help ensure that the availability of strong, qualified interpreters are present for their post-degree ambitions in the working world, then it will be much harder for those deaf students to demonstrate that it is the ability that counts, not whether they are hard of hearing, profoundly deaf, late-deafened, and so forth. That said, we need to take a long and hard look at ourselves and decide how to address this growing crisis.
One solution could be to encourage VRS agencies take a proactive lead, if they haven’t done so already, by offering incentives. For example, if VRS interpreters provide “x” amount of hours for the local community, then they would receive “y” amount of incentives such as longer vacation time or other rewards. I also suspect that certain agencies that want state or municipal “breaks” or seek to entrench themselves more favorably with the deaf community may receive more credibility and support if they adopted such a system.
In addition, the National Association for the Deaf (NAD) typically takes the lead in identifying solutions when there’s a widespread impact on the deaf community but there is little public information about what NAD is doing to take a more proactive stance on this crisis. As of now, it appears that the organization seems to be more concerned with the quality of VRS services and not its long-term impact. See e.g., NAD ensuring that VRS services are available 24/7 and NAD working to improve VRS working conditions. While those actions are a good start, I’d like to hear more about the findings of the NAD Ad Hoc Committee on Interpreting established in 2005 and led by Sherri L. Collins to address this specific situation and whether NAD plans to take specific and concrete steps.
Another solution is to view this as an opportunity for deaf entrepreneurs and there are at least three possible avenues. One could explore establishing a specialized [for-profit] interpreting agency that offers specialized interpreters (e.g. courtroom interpreting, medical services interpreting and so forth) where they are paid a salary and provided benefits that are commensurate with their skills.
The second opportunity could involve creating a consulting firm and where one would advise corporations interested in hiring interpreters, to ensure that their deaf employees receive the right accommodations due to the current interpreter shortage. There are plenty of Fortune 500 companies that might be interested in having some sort of a support group in place.
The third could be to develop some kind of a headhunter service for employers who are unfamiliar with the practice of hiring sign language interpreters, and would like immediate assistance in finding the right sign language interpreters for a variety of scenarios. Several common situations might include a deaf employee being asked to relocate to another city but both the employee and the employer aren’t sure whether that region has any qualified interpreters or an employer would like to hire a full-time interpreter and needs to find the right match.
The bottom line: if we don’t plan accordingly, be creative, and adjust with the times, then those who don’t have the resources to obtain the services of qualified interpreters will continue to lag even further behind those who have access to a large pool of interpreters, the financial means to hire personal interpreters, or a job in an environment supportive of the deaf. This impacts all of our efforts towards economic empowerment for the deaf and hard of hearing community. That, in itself, strikes me as horribly unfair and a potential major setback.
Scott Van Nice is a Chevy Chase, Maryland native who graduated from Rochester Institute of Technology (RIT). He works full-time at a corporation in Cincinnati while attending law school as a part-time student. He’s also engaged to a very wonderful woman who has the amazing ability to put up with Scott’s incessant spoiling of their dog, Jade.
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What is the size of these meetings? How often do you have small meetings with 1, 2 or 4 people? Etc…
The meetings can range from two people to fifteen people. At the time I had ample access to sign lagnuage interpreters, I was able to attend an average of 2 to 3 meetings on a daily basis. Now, I have to pick my meetings more carefully and as well as, at times, inform people that they can’t reschedule the meeting becuase the odds of me getting a interpreter at a different time may be more difficult.
Ever think about using the UbiDuo for those meetings with people up to 4 people (including yourself) leaving you to deal with the larger meetings?
On an OT note… Scott-
Have you visited the DeafAttorneys website? I hope you don’t mind my asking, but where are you attending law school? Have you considered CART for some of your law school classes?
Unfortunately, the community interpreter shortage created by the VRS industry entails creative approaches now, such as utilizing CART and other avenues of accessibility.
Cousin Vinny,
I’m aware of the Deaf Attorneys website and I attend Northern Kentucky University. Regarding CART and other avenues of accessibility, those are valuable tools but I think I may have done a poor job articulating my point. My main point is that we need to engage ourselves with the world and having qualified sign language interpreters helps many deaf people do that.
As for CART, it’s a great tool but that misses my point. For example, CART works well in one of two ideal scenarios: (1) The deaf user doesn’t see a need to heavily interact with others (2) the deaf user has the ability to speak very well and uses CART to supplement her education. I’m familiar with the first scenario and I did explore using CART but it does heavily limit one’s interaction. As for the second scenario, there are two examples on point.
One deaf attorney, Scott Harrison, was able to use CART well but the article mentioned that he was able to speak quite well. See here for the link: http://www.cartinfo.org/news/deafattorney.html . Another more recent example is a Supreme Court case where the Court allowed a deaf lawyer, Michael A. Chatoff, to install a video display screen in the courtroom so he could read the questions that are asked during oral arguments. The article mentioned that he cannot hear but was able to speak well. See the New York Times article at http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f.....A964948260 .
I don’t mean to disparage both of them by using them as examples of how their speaking ability allowed them to maximize the benefits of CART especially when both Mr. Harrison and Mr. Chatoff are helping blaze the trail for many of us. Case in point: can you imagine arguing before the United States Supreme Court? Because of them, I hope that inspires more deaf people, who are strong and proficient signers, to feel motivated into going into a situation and make people focus on their ability and not on their disability. But again: if we don’t work to address the interpreter shortage as a result of VRS services, then we’re potentially boxed in except for those who have the ample resources and financial means.
That is why I often have difficulity seeing how going around and around with Gallaudet University issues, debating what is or what is not “audist”, or whether Interim President Davila is a proficient signer is helping blaze the path that so many of our next generation deaf ambassadors desperately need.
Point taken.
Want a long term solution? Commoditize (Oooh, such a 4-letter word!) ASL interpreters. That means more and more interpreters need to enter the field and saturate the job market. Prices stabilize, and viola… There’s the community interpreting pool waiting to be tapped at prices the mainstream market can absorb.
But back to the current state of affairs; VRI services need to be on the upswing. A lot of places are now equipped with high speed internet, and increasingly, a lot more computers are equipped with built-in cameras. When this kind of technology truly saturates mainstream America, VRI services could take off and help bridge Deaf members into their respective communities everywhere.
I highly doubt that interpreters would leave the lucrative field of VRS interpreting for the low-salaried field of community interpreting, no matter how rich the intangle rewards inherent in community interpreting would bring to its participants. I just can’t see that working.
Not all the terps enjoy working for the VRS. Numerous terps rather do the real interactions with the deaf community at large.
We could do something like giving the tax break(s) or waiver to terps living in such particular community and do the intepretings for deaf people, instead of working for the VRS.
The federal government have done the same thing with the shortage of qualified physicians in rural communities like waiving the student loans and making long-term committments for hosptial residency.
Robert L. Mason (RLM)
Where are the interpreters? I’d really like to hear their input on this.
Honestly, I think one of our goals should be to completely eradicate the need for interpreters so problems like these do not arise; it is our dependency that creates all sorts of complicated issues. If Scott needs interpreters to feel empowered, then I would see that as a barrier between hearing and deaf - not the “bridge” that many interpreting agencies claim to create.
But then again, that’s only a long-term goal. What are we to do in the meantime? The ones running off to join VRS are motivated for different reasons than those staying in the community; you can probably do very little to persuade them otherwise (”be good to your community, not your wallet”). So, it’s probably a lost cause.
BTW- I could never imagine using ASL to make a precise legal argument before the Supreme Court; I’d much rather type out my answers (in English) on a computer screen large enough for all in the room to read. Sorry, but I just don’t have faith in interpreters - even the most qualified ones out there don’t always understand legal concepts well enough to translate.
I am somewhat bothered (but not surprised) by 1) the lack of responses to this real problem (like David Evan’s blog as well at http://www.deafdc.com/blog/dav.....r-of-2008/) and 2) deaf people suggesting the next best accommodations to Scott without addressing the problem.
While CART and the Ubi-Duo are neat devices that are ideal for some specific situations, they may not meet Scott’s needs. He needs to seamlessly interact with other hearing people at a large corporation during meetings and other interpersonal events. The two alternate solutions can’t convey the charm or confidence of a deaf person, especially one who does not speak. I would expect hearing people to persuade deaf people to accept the “next best thing”, not fellow deaf people.
Could there be some truth to what one person said to Scott, that deaf people don’t care for the reasons stated in his blog?
I just got this email today:
Dear NAD Member:
We are all aware of the shortage of interpreters. The NAD is concerned about this issue and so when we were asked to “spread the word” about a survey that would clearly define this shortage, we agreed to send out the message below asking our members to take the short survey. The NAD strongly encourages you to participate in this on-line needs assessment survey being conducted by the federally funded National Consortium of Interpreter Education Centers.
The purpose of this survey is to begin to quantify the national interpreter shortage. This survey will provide data on the demand for interpreters; a similar survey is being conducted among members of the Registry of Interpreters of the Deaf(RID) to provide data on the supply of interpreters.
The survey only takes 10 minutes and we ask that you to complete it by April 6, 2007. You may already have completed the on-line survey or may have completed a paper version. If so, we thank you for your participation. Please do not complete another survey.
The link to the survey is:
http://www.zoomerang.com/surve.....5RVTNWUX3.
Thank you for your willingness to participate in this survey.
Filled it out. Thanks for passing this on to us, Shane!
If companies knew that VRS Interpreters are available to meet a deaf client’s needs, are they allowed to use VRS through VP or a standalone app through webcam to use their service instead of hiring an interpreter? Would that be any violation to the ADA law?
Shane,
I guess that the DeafDC.com blogs did not get heavy online traffic lately which the recent blogs are not posted on the DeafRead.com so far.
Let’s see and what will happen after regularly insert the DeafDC new blog postings on the DeafRead.com.
Why not experiment with the vlogcasts on the DeafDC.com?
Robert L. Mason (RLM)
Interestingly, I am one of those individuals for whom many might consider CART to be an ideal solution to my communication needs. I grew up “oral” and English is my first language. I have strong literacy skills, and I also can speak quite intelligibly.
However, in spite of this fact, if given a choice, I would actually prefer to use sign language interpreters rather than CART services. Why? I feel more comfortable with using interpreters. I like the human interaction that I feel with using an interpreter. I like feeling that I have more “control” over my communication needs when I am using an interpreter - I can ask the interpreter to use more ASL or more English syntax; I can ask the interpreter to fingerspell words as needed; I can ask that things be repeated for clarification; I can ask the interpreter to move around the room if necessary or point out speakers or whatever; I can choose to use my voice or not use my voice as I so desire. I just feel that I can get more “personal attention” that focuses on meeting my specific needs at the moment better with an interpreter than I do with CART services.
This isn’t to say that I don’t or won’t use CART services - I have and I will. But I don’t believe that CART should just be viewed as the “alternative solution” when interpreting services are not available.
As to the problems in regards to the shortage of qualified interpreters in the Freelancing Community to meet the needs of Deaf Consumers - while there is no question that VRS services are making a dent in that availability, is this really the CAUSE of that shortage, or merely a symptom of a problem that exists in the interpreting profession that we have not been addressing?
Scott points out some of the benefits to VRS interpreting and why it would be appealing to many - the higher salaries, flexible hours, educational and training opportunities, and valuable experience.
This leads me to ask…if similar benefits were available to interpreters working within the community, would they stay in that field?
Even before VRS came along, as a Deaf Professional holding positions that involved - amongst other responsibilities - the coordination of interpreting services, I myself often had to struggle to find interpreters to fill the need. Many free-lance interpreters I knew ended up taking full-time jobs working in the schools/colleges, Commissions, agencies for the Deaf, etc. and thus their availability was considerably limited. Why did they do this? Reasons included the need for benefits, a steady paycheck, paid vacation/sick leave, etc. etc.
In addition, many of them stated the challenges of being self-employed in a profession that is often misunderstood and sometimes maligned both within the Deaf/Interpreting Community and the community in general led them to look for other options. One gets tired of having to constantly justify hourly fees, gather all the necessary information needed in order to accept and carry out an assignment, chase after overdue reimbursements, maintain exact records for tax purposes, and so forth. And even if you work for an Interpreting Agency which takes care of some of these issues for you, there can still be “politics” involved with such - wondering if you’re getting paid what you are really worth, if you’re really getting the jobs that you qualified and desiring to do, etc. etc.
Under such circumstances, can it be all that surprising that more and more interpreters are seeing VRS interpreting as an appealing alternative to the “freelancing headaches?”
I don’t know if in fact my analysis is correct…and I also would like to hear from the Interpreting Community itself on this issue.
But I do agree it is a problem that needs to be addressed…
by all of us (Deaf Community, Interpreting Community, VRS Providers, Service Consumers both Deaf and Hearing, etc.) working together.
I am an Interpreter. I recently graduated from a “2-year” Interpreter Trainning Program (ITP). I don’t think many people understand what it is like for interpreters. I have studied ASL for over 4 years and Interpreting for 2 years. I have been active in the Deaf and Interpreting Communities. However, I am not qualified enough to interpret where there are shortages (law classes). ITP programs DO NOT prepare qualified interpreters IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. You cannot master a language in 2 years and you can not master the interpreting skills in 2 years. More and more interpreters are unskilled graduates, so then VRS will collect more skilled interpreters-making the shortage worse and worse. I am not sure of the answer to this shortage of interpreters. I wish more people would become aware of this growing problem.
I think the problem is this: we depend too much on interpreters instead of on ourselves. Haven’t we noticed one thing about interpreters? They are humans, just like we are. It’s NATURAL for human beings to search for BETTER OPPORTUNITIES, MORE MONEY, or BETTER SUPPORT SYSTEM, or all above. Can we blame them? NO. Proactive… well, let’s talk about proactive. Technology…independent technology that interprets everything so smoothly..and it’s in compact (small enough to fit into your pocket). That will set us free from depending on interpreters. We got to remember that interpreters aren’t robots and those interpreters do look out for themselves before the sake of the Deaf community or deaf person. Period. It’s not sad, or a harsh point. It’s a fact, because I know, as a PERSON, I would look for opportunities where there aren’t much need for interpreters to prove myself as a PERSON. Why can’t we be proactive that way?? HUH?
Scott, I completely empathize with you, and Virginia Beach’s remarks also reflect my views as a Deaf individual with understandable speech.
As a contract specialist at a Navy installation located in a rural area with a dearth of qualified interpreters, I’ve seen how the VRS influence on the supply-demand equation for qualified interpreting support has directly impact my ability to effectively communicate in the workplace. There are many impromptu business meetings that a contract specialist is supposed to attend. My management’s reaction to my communication barriers has been to reduce my career opportunities.
The local EEO office, which is responsible for procuring interpreting support, has just completely bungled the whole thing in their weak efforts to establish effective sign language interpreting services locally. After many years of refusing to hire even 1 onsite interpreter, they recently hired a local uncertified interpreter on a part-time basis as a stopgap measure to provide some level of interpreting support. However, they did NOT get the Deaf community’s input on this decision. This interpreter has a sufficient skillset to support training sessions and other monologue-type meetings, but I’ve found it more difficult to following discussion-oriented meetings when she interprets for me.
The EEO office claims they are attempting to recruit additional qualified interpreters, but won’t tell me how much they are willing to pay and whether they are willing to provide a relocation bonus to sufficiently incentivize highly qualified interpreters to apply for the job.
As jachocoteaja pointed out, interpreters are human. Despite the influence of VRS on the supply-demand market for interpreters, if a very competitive pay & benefits package is offered, I am convinced that there are highly qualiifed interpreters in other areas who would be interested in earning an above-average salary in a relatively lower-cost area working a stable full-time job.
There are 11 other Deafies that work on this installation. 3 of them have filed EEO complaints against it as a result of poor interpreting support.
As others here have alluded, there are other alternative means to facilitate communication, but the question is whether or not they are EFFECTIVE. CART service is something I’ve used in the past, but it has a series of limitations that render in-person communication awkward and does not convey tone and emotion, which are important elements in the business of negotiating multi-million dollar contracts.
Others have suggested VRI, but the problem I’ve found with that are: (1) It can only be used where there is a VTC unit in a room. My meetings could be anywhere at anytime, and frequently are held in places without VTC units; and (2) VRI interpreters often have difficulty identifying who the speakers are, so I end up losing the conversation flow, which then prevents me from properly understanding the dynamics of the issues being discussed.
It gets frustrating as I have to display animosity towards my employer for not doing all that they can to hire qualified interpreters. The frustration is building as I see my younger colleagues be given more challenging projects that involve significant communication. I hope my EEO complaint will, in due time, result in my employer doing the right thing. Otherwise, the whole EEO process will have been a vain exercise and a sham.