Truncated Social Justice at Gallaudet: Why the COSC is Making Noise
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By Kristi Merriweather
On Friday, March 2, the Coalition of Students of Color (COSC) staged a peaceful demonstration called, “Diversity is Dead at Gallaudet” against an active and systematic racism on Gallaudet campus. About 15 individuals participated, with three make-shift coffins bearing anti-racism slogans. They answered questions and had a meeting with current Interim President Robert R. Davila and the chair of the Board of Trustees. Prior to the demonstration, the COSC and its allies were warned that it would threaten MSA accreditation, so why risk Gallaudet’s future? They asked us to give Interim President Davila time.
The short answer: Gallaudet’s future depends heavily on distributive, not truncated, social justice. In distributive social justice, no one specific group can become direct beneficiaries of the Interim President Davila administration. The Middle States Commission on Higher Education (MSA) stressed shared governance. Moreover, audism should not remain the sole focus of the deaf community at the expense of racism.

There is a history between COSC and FSSA (a misnomer called Faculty, Students, Staffers, and Alumni). Both groups had the common goal of re-opening the Gallaudet presidential search process for various reasons, but strongly disagreed with the means and the focus. The COSC observed that several FSSA members were not really interested in distributive social justice and diversity.
We have looked to Interim President Davila to start the healing process because it is clear that neither the COSC nor the FSSA can lead the effort. His speech and first vlog gave us hope. That would later turn into false hope for several people of color. Here is why.
1. Four FSSA Appointments
On January 31, a message was posted on the Gally-L listserv by “Rainbow” with then unverified information that Interim President Davila was appointing four individuals - Dr. Jay Innes (Special Assistant), Dr. Richard Lytle (Special Assistant), Darian Burwell (Presidential Assistant, Diversity Relations) and Bernie Palmer (Ombudsman). The first three appointments were later confirmed via the Gallaudet website. Mr. Palmer’s situation will be addressed later in this blog.
Generally speaking, appointments can be a good thing. Never mind that one the loudest complaints of the recent protest concerned Dr. Jordan’s appointment of Dr. Fernandes as Provost. When Interim President Davila does it four times in 60 days, the same protestors are silent. All of the appointments were members of FSSA.* These four* impeding appointments set off the first of many warning signals for the COSC and its allies that FSSA may be attempting to gain widespread control of Gallaudet University.
Perception is everything. Is Gallaudet for FSSA or is Gallaudet for everybody? For those who want to make the poor comparison with the White House, this is not an elected office. This is Gallaudet, a non-partisan educational institution serving all people, FSSA and non-FSSA. I expected Interim President Davila to be able to work with different people, regardless of their loyalties. That’s a better way of getting objectives done with less resistance from either side.
Are such actions by Interim President Davila conducive to an environment without Management by Intimidation (MBI), one of the fervent arguments against Dr. Fernandes by the UFG protesters? FSSA control of Gallaudet is a direct violation of MSA’s shared governance mandate.
When that fact was pointed out to Interim President Davila via emails, a meeting with the COSC, and a phone call during a radio interview he responded with this type of answer:
Caller: Since you started working at university, I understand that you’ve hired several protesters to work in your office so it seems as though you may have been part of the protest.
Robert: To tell you the truth, I don’t know who was a protestor and I don’t want to know.
Caller: Oh, please! Everyone knows.
Robert: I’m sorry to tell you, but I don’t. I do not know that.
It signaled Interim President Davila’s intention to deliberately ignore facts; especially if it is part of the core reason for several people of color’s discontent. There is a big difference between trying to treat people fairly regardless of their stances and allowing one group to dominate the University’s governance. Now, Interim President Davila is aware of the FSSA, he penned a letter posted on FSSA website asking Dr. Fernandes to resign. It is quite possible that he didn’t know his appointments were FSSA members. But he knows now, because we told him. That’s when Interim President Davila shifted gears and withheld the appointment of Mr. Palmer.
In any case, as one of the core FSSA members, Mr. Palmer is hardly a neutral person which is a necessary requirement for an Ombudsman. I personally have no problem with him. I’ve known him via the National Black Deaf Advocates (NBDA), he’s one smart cookie. But an appointment based on qualifications, alone, is not enough. We ought to consider whether enough students of color feel comfortable enough to go to him with their concerns, since an Ombudsman’s job is to mediate conflicts.
Is it mere coincidence that all of Interim President Davila’s appointees are FSSA members? Doubtful. Remember he implied he is new, so he has to get his information and recommendations from somebody. That’s what a good President does; you don’t pick a name out of a jar. Where he is getting his information from? I believe it is the FSSA via Dr. Innes* and Dr. Lytle.
I was at Gallaudet University last month for the V/Blogging Conference held by the Coalition for Critical Inquiry. When I saw Dr. Lytle there, I told him my concerns about the four FSSA appointees setting up a certain perception. He kept emphasizing that we have to “leave the past behind and move forward.” Excuse me? The FSSA kept harping about Dr. Fernandes’ past as Provost and Vice President for the Laurent Clerc National Deaf Education Center, and he’s telling me to acquire amnesia about the recent past and move on. Move on with whose agenda? The agenda of Team Gallaudet a.k.a. “FSSA University”?
I responded that he cannot expect the COSC to lower their defenses if they haven’t seen anything to suggest that the administration is committed to diversity. Looks like he didn’t take my advice seriously, because exactly one month later, things deteriorated so fast that the COSC did a public demonstration and the Organization for Equity for African Americans (OEAA, made up of Black faculty and staff) was resurrected. The OEAA’s February 28 invitation of Willie L. Brown, President of University of Maryland Black Faculty and Staff Association to give the presentation “Why Black Faculty and Staff at Predominately White Institutions Need to Organize” was no fluke.
2. MBI Part II?
Did we just finish a protest only to allow MBI Part II happen? The majority of people’s responses before Dr. Fernandes’ selection are almost a replica of people’s reactions to the COSC demonstration now- passive, hands off and accepting whatever the President does. That is until something that does not jive with their world — issues like the Oregon School for the Deaf or the recent Gallaudet Sorenson Language and Communication Center (SLCC) postcard and floor plan — then people are suddenly animated.
We knew something was off kilter when Lindsay Dunn was demoted three levels down from Special Assistant to the Gallaudet President to Education Manager, while his white counterpart, Fred Weiner went only one rung down. First the Glenn Anderson/Ron Stern fiasco and now this, within a one-year span? And people are asking us to be patient. Give Interim President Davila more time. No. We have given Gallaudet 100 years. Time’s up, it’s show time. We want fairness now. Promotions and demotions should not rest on people‘s stances on protests, but upon performance. “Too bad, should have joined that group?” What kind of rationale is that? Is that conducive to creating a non-MBI environment?
3. Latest Victim of Systematic Racism?
During the month of January, Dunn didn’t know what was going to happen to his position until he ran into Eileen Matthews, Director of Center for Academic Programs and Student Services (CAPSS) at Gallaudet University, who informed Dunn that he was being reassigned under her. What a surprise it was indeed. No official letter, no calls, no meeting, no word from Interim President Davila, Dr. Innes or Dr. Lytle. But like a trooper, Dunn moved from College Hall to a tiny office with a five-year old ancient computer. At least he still has the same six-figure salary. Then came the new position description. The following passage is copied from an email I received and was also posted on Gally-L. I was asked to not reveal the source who saw Dunn’s position description.
There are about 33 “principal responsibilities” in the position description. (Kristi’s note: normally it’s 7 to 15.) I am not counting the last one that said “Performs other related duties as assigned.” As is the norm, Mr. Dunn is expected to meet ALL his performance requirements each academic year. Several responsibilities represent a significant portion of the mandates of entire organizational units within Gallaudet. To the best of my knowledge, none of the affected units are aware that their responsibilities have been “reassigned” to Lindsay. There is a mention of a budget but there is no evidence that Lindsay will get ANY personnel support. So, he gets to do everything by himself except when he applies for and receive [sic] grants that enable him hire assistants. There is no evidence that Lindsay’ new unit is not slated to receive additional resource [sic] necessary to deal with his added responsibilities either. Since Lindsay has been working for the President the last 10 years or so, I am guessing his salary is relatively high compared to others in his current unit. As such his salary will bust his new boss’ budget. When this happens, something has to give. Guess who will need to leave? Guess who will have the dubious honor of FORMALLY firing Lindsay? A black person like him [Eileen Mathews], that’s who! Is this a mistake? Hardly, no one is this incompetent. I am convinced that what we are seeing is a pre-mediated and cynical effort to set impossible performance goals AND to sow discord between Lindsay and the heads of units where the responsibilities currently lie. Can you imagine the directors of these programs giving up their responsibilities [and paychecks] without a fight? I can’t either. To paraphrase the Rolaids ads, how do you spell “setup-to-fail”? What is scary is that the authors of this position description are the same people assisting Dr. Davila in promoting healing within an entity fractured by an acrimonious protest. These people will also influence the new directions of GU. What is really at stake is Dr. Davila’s job, reputation, and, of course, the future of GU. Someone needs to alert Dr. Davila before any more harm is done….
Well, Interim President Davila has been alerted. Will he heed it? We’ll see.
I’ve heard people say that this movement is really all about Lindsay Dunn and his job. This is the same old strategy used to discredit black concerns — “oh, this is about Dr. Glenn Anderson”, “oh, this is about so-and so.” And yet, I don’t recall see anybody saying “oh, this is about Dr. Jane Mulholland.” Whoever thinks that we would be petty enough to risk MSA accreditation to do a demonstration for one man is gravely mistaken. Dunn is not the alpha and the omega of the problem, he just happens to be the latest victim of systematic racist machinations that have affected several deaf people of color over the years.
4. Silence Regarding Diversity Strategic Plan and Office of Minority Affairs Proposal
Some of you may be aware of the Diversity Strategic Plan developed by the Diversity Fellows and Dr. Fernandes. Lindsay Dunn developed a separate proposal for Office of Minority Affairs under the Provost’s Office. That proposal has received favorable feedback from a cross section of the University community. Yet to this day, Interim President Davila, the Chief Diversity Officer, has not mentioned it. When the COSC inquired about this during its meeting with him, he sidestepped the question.
Contrary to popular belief, it’s not about moving Dunn into that office, should it be established. It does not matter who leads the proposal because it ultimately addresses the critical issue of low persistence and high attrition rates for students of color. The Diversity Plan and its clear action plan have not even been addressed to date. And I understand that Burwell is now asking various people like the Diversity Fellows and Dunn about what diversity issues need to be addressed. This is rather telling of her depth of knowledge about diversity, which will be addressed later in this blog. The Diversity Strategic Plan and its Action Plan is a blue print, and the Campus Climate Process Report has all the data needed to gauge the campus climate in regards to diversity. All she has to do is read it.
The Interim President appears to be showing little interest in actually addressing the critical issues cited in that proposal. They have shown no recognition that it could serve as a valuable resource for Burwell and therefore afford Interim President Davila the data he needs to assess its progress. Instead, he wants to yet reinvent the wheel by calling for an Advisory committee. For what? Advisory committees have no teeth to enforce anything. The information needed is already there in these two documents. How many more years of “data gathering” and no direct changes are we going to have to put up with?
5. Darian Burwell’s Inexperience = Low Priority for Diversity?
The third appointment was Darian Burwell, who works at the office of Enrollment Management. Darian is a fine young woman. But this is a Special Assistant for Diversity position.
Logically you should at least already have done something for the cause of diversity. Recruiting Unity for Gallaudet protestors isn’t exactly my idea of diversity. Having written an article about it, interned at the Multicultural Affairs, just something, you know, where you can say, “oh, yeah, that does makes sense that she got it.” My thesis was on black deaf identity, during my research, I have never seen Burwell written anything publicly. As a former President of DC Area BDA, I don’t recall ever seeing her involved in a local or national BDA committee. If you went to all these deaf people of color conferences tomorrow- NBDA, WFD, IDC, NADC, and ask them if they know of Darian Burwell, will you get at least 1/3 of the membership saying yes? Based on my various conversations with diverse people, I am inclined to believe the answer is no. So, I am lost on the logic of this selection…unless the reason for the selection is FSSA favoritism.
Just exactly what did she do to earn that kind of appointment? How is she going to heal current rifts, she was the unofficial protest recruiter targeting black students so that the overall picture would look more “multicolored” than “lily-white.” Burwell does not have the trust of several students of color other than those supportive of the protest. They are still flocking to Dunn’s tiny office for assistance and advice. There was already strong disagreement about the appointments before Burwell stepped into her new position. Hmm, what disagreement did that remind me of? Oh, yeah, the Dr. Fernandes selection.
Some people have said, “Well she has to start somewhere, I’m sure Dunn was like her 15 years ago, with no experience.” That’s not accurate. Dunn of 15 years ago competed for that position, already having experience with diversity issues — he had several articles published (check out the Buff and Blue archives 1980 to 1985, the 1989 DeafWay I edited by Dirksen Bauman, and this). Dunn is also a former President of NY City Black Deaf Advocates (BDA). So with that in mind, I ask you — if the position was open for competition, instead of appointment, would they have selected Burwell?
I can think of more qualified individuals like Thuan Nguyen (who worked several years with diversity issues), Franklin Torres, Cheryl Wu, Karen Tong, Ann Lynn Smith, Judy Stout, and so on. Appointing a novice with scant understanding of an important issue says something about the administration’s attitude toward diversity. Let’s say no to “Team FSSA University” and say yes to a better Gallaudet.
6. A Boo-Boo
One of the boo-boos made several people of color wonder about whether Interim President Davila’s appointed team of assistants are serving him well. During his stay at the Deaflympics at Salt Lake City, Davila made a vlog on a mountain alongside with Sam Sonnenstrahl, director of alumni relations, and Andy Lange, President of the GUAA (Gallaudet University Alumni Association). Andy Lange made some remarks about the importance of diversity.
This turned off several people of color because it was coming from the same man who, as President of NAD, made negative remarks about black deaf people. The point here is not to demonize former NAD President and current GUAA President Lange, but to highlight the fact that Interim President Davila was, and is still, not surrounded by people sensitive to diversity. Even his special assistant for diversity, Burwell, did not help Interim President Davila identify this potential gaffe.
Please don’t insult our intelligence by saying Interim President Davila is a person of color. It’s like saying, “He’s a deaf person, so he understands our issues.” If I replace that pronoun with the name, Dr. Jane Fernandes, would you agree? People’s ethnicity makes no difference if their actions are anything but supportive of diversity, get it?
Today, a cursory look at the deaf blogosphere tells me where deaf people’s focus is at. The hottest item is the SLCC postcard and floor plan. It seems that in the deaf world, audism is the only hot button waking deaf people up. As long as that mentality continues to exist, some deaf people of color will continue speaking out about real problems at Gallaudet, even if it means risking the University’s accreditation.
Because we all deserve a better Gallaudet, and nothing less.
Kristi Merriweather is a deaf high school teacher for the deaf in Atlanta. She is a former President of the DC area BDA and former Vice President of Atlanta BDA. Kristi’s Master’s thesis was on black deaf identity. A visitor to my abode will find a friendly tabby cat, an outdated Sorenson VP-100, antique hearing aids from the early 1980s, and too many books and shoes. She loves traveling when the moola is right.
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* Update: DeafDC has learned that the involvement of Dr. Jay Innes in the FSSA is disputed. We cannot confirm or deny his involvement in the FSSA.
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You express your opinion very well. However, you made several comments that are without merits. I was the one, for example, who asked the FSSA to publish Dr. Davila letter on their website. Dr. Davila had nothing to do with that decision. And believe it or not, Dr. Davila really has no idea who was involved in the protest. I was very much involved-yet when I approached him, he had no idea who I was and what I did during the protest. Please check your facts before you make comments -it would be helpful to the community that is trying to heal itself.
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87, G-00
Raphael,
Thanks for bringing this to everyone’s attention. I encourage all readers to vigorously scrutinize this blog and bring facts to light.
The same opportunity was not afforded to many people (who were neutral or against the protest) hurt by inaccurate information during the Unity for Gallaudet protest.
Thank you, Shane for your comments. I am always hestitant to say anything that might be veiw as critical-becuase I don’t want to seemed like I am “picking a fight”. I really try hard to be respectful of the other person’s point-of -view. Sometimes I failed at that. And I apolozied if I have offended anyone. And you are 100% correct- there were many people who did not support us that were hurt by the protest. I wish to express my apologies to them.
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87, G-00
Writing a letter *demanding* for someone to resign then grabbed his job is dirty. I understood that many protesters complained about how Dr. Fernandes was with ASL and I do not hear one hoot about how he is with ASL with some wrong signs, just because he involved in a protest, is GU alumnae, etc? Yet he is a hero for mistreating these who were not involved in the protest, huh? Any mistake he made would be quickly swept under a rug to save the protesters’ faces? The media and world are watching and they KNOW!
I GUARANTEE you that there would be a big and noisy fight along with some ugly vlogs and mocking blogs against Jane Fernandes if she was the president about SLCC cards that Gallaudet may be set on a fire along with all windows smashed in. With him, just a slap on his wrist. It was him who approved the mailing the cards. There are few brave people like Kristi Merriweather who want to save Gallaudet. Gallaudet is starting to crumble from a very bad crack in its leg from the dirty protest and FSSA.
SChevy:
I canot make it clearer: I was the one who asked the FSSA to publish Dr. Davilia leter. He had nothing to do with it. And the BoT asked him to be the President- he never sought the job.
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87, G-00
Davila was seen at a meeting sponsored by the FCC about 2 weeks before the interim president interviews. He may be very cushy with Pam Holmes, Ben soukup, Cheryl Heppner and Nancy Bloch.
Observers of that meeting concluded he had already been asked to serve as interim president and had accepted the job….the interviews held later were only a pretense to satisfy the community’s desire for a semblance of a fair process.
You said that he was asked to be interim prsident. You just made my point: he never sought the position. He was asked to be the president.
Raphael J. St. Johns, C-87, G00
oh and one more thing: my sources on the BoT informed me that they were in deep discuesions about all three candiates until that Saturday morning before the BoT made up it mind. There really was no pre-selection of Davilia.
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87, G-00
He was asked to be the President? I thought this was an open campaign, anybody qualified would apply and interview for this. You made it sound like BOT asked him to be the president without competition.
If you read my comments- I said that my sources on the BoT informed me that there were no pre-selcetion of Davilia.
That said, I was responding to the earilier statement that Davilia was dirty- that he worte this letter and had it publish in the hopes of getting the Presidnet job. Please re-read my responses again. He(davilia) had no idea about this job until he was contacted to apply for it. The other candiates aslo were invited to apply for this position.
Raphael J. St.Johns C-87, G-00
So you are saying that Dr. Davila did not agree to have his letter posted? Are you saying that FSSA posted his letter without his permission? Once it was up, did he ask to have it taken down and FSSA refused? C’mon. The letter was sent to the Board. They did not distribute letters sent to them to the FSSA, which means Davila himself provided the letter to the FSSA. If he was as unaware of the issues surrounding the protest as he claims (didn’t he ever pick up a newspaper??) then why did he feel compelled to write a letter to the Board asking Dr. Fernandes to resign? (and demanding a response in 5 days?) Give me a break. We weren’t born yesterday. Maybe he didn’t know YOU — what was YOUR important role in the protest?? but he certainly knows which faculty members were the leaders. Lytle was the PR person for FSSA. Are you telling me he really didn’t know that? Just how stupid do you think we are? Davila might not have been hanging around campus during the protest, but if you really believe he wasn’t involved, and wasn’t kept informed of everything that was going on, you are very naive.
If you read his letter it was to Dr. Brggerman (spell?). It said that the letter was going to be publish after 5 days. I got a copy of it BEFORE it was made public. I waited for the five dyas to be finished-then I went to Gallaudet campus and asked the FSSA people to have it published.
He does not know many of the protesters. He really does not.
I am not naive. As a major donor to Gallaudet U., I know the people that were involved- and I also know the facts. I was there everyday- on weekends also. I do know that Davilia only knew of the main issues from afar. He was in retirement, living happiliy in New Market, Md. when the BoT called him and asked if he would considered to be a canidate.
There are the fatcs. Please respect the facts.
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87, G-00
Are you telling me Davila had no idea what you were going to do with the letter? That he was wholly unaware of the FSSA website?
Again, I said in this blog it was possible that he did not know who was in FSSA, but he knows now because we’re telling him. He has chosen to ignore it.
Again- Dr. Davilia was not responsible for the publishing of his letter-I was. You stated that (and questioned his motives and his ideals) his was reponsible for getting his letter published. I am told, qiute frankly, that he was surprised when he saw his letter on the FSSA web site.
As far as the other issues,i.e, knowing who was involved in the protest, he reallly has no idea. You say he you have inform him, perhaps he is “ignoring” you becuase he has other pressing issues, i.e.,the MSA issue to worry about. I don’t know.
The few people you and other bloggers have mentioned (i.e. Lylte and Immes) are exeptionally highly skilled people.
Any president has the right to bring in his own people. I do not understnad your point here.
He(Davilia)has hried(as has been pointed out) several minority to positions of policy/authority. He has not fired anyone. He has moved people (Weiner, Dunn) around to other positions as any other new president would have done.
Raphael J. St. Johns, C-87, G-00
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You stated that both Ed and jsa “missed my point entirely, I don’t feel it’s worth my time discussing this matter with you.”
I disagree with you on that. It is your job to engage in a dialoge. It is your job to explain to your readers what you mean, and try to convince us the merits of your article.
If we are not worth your time, then you should not have written your article. I am trying to understand where you are coming from -to understand your concerns and see if I can help the situation. If I or any of your readers are not worth your time-then I will not be able to assist you.
Nobody said he fired anybody. I said he demoted a white man one rung down and a black man three rungs down.
My point was if he wants a great Gallaudet, he cannot surround himself with entirely FSSA people to the exclusion of other diverse views.
You may need to ask Lindsay Dunn to explain why he was demoted. How well do you know this whole true event? Are you a good story teller? Ask him to reply in this DeafDC instead of his good brother’s Internet forum.
Of course, I have asked him! Sorry, until I have permission to state what he said, I cannot tell anybody what he said.
That is the problem here. Lindsay Dunn has a reputation of “talking the talk”. I know he is excellent mentor to many students but what did he really do in his position as the Special Assistant to the President on Diversity? I was at Gallaudet during that time — I don’t see anything much — in fact, I see more activities out of Multicultural Students Program (Sp?) more than Dunn himself!
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mr. palmer is black. ms. burwell is black. what more do you want? stop whining. diversity exists under Dr. Davila’s administration. simply put, you’re a racist because you quickly complained that drs. innes and lytle were chosen as special assistants. you’re not the judge on qualifications and whatnot for that matter. let dr. davila lead team gallaudet and keep your mouth shut.
Davilla is a change agent, he has to make tough decisions, some will like it, some won’t. He can’t please everybody. As you can see the hottest potato he has to handle right now is the SLCC issue.
many have called for IKJ’s regime to step down. Just like the U.S. cleaing out Saddam Husseins top people.
I’m sorry if he hired Pro-FSSA people, but that doesn’t mean squat now. You were bitter with FSSAs, and you are still bitter. Quit that and move on, Davilla has already made more efforts to listen to everybody, unlike Jordan/JKF.
Be happy right now, I’m a white male and if I applied for a top level jobs, Davilla would pick person of color over me no matter what. Should I scream reversal discrimination???? nah, I’ll accept that because I know that is what Gallaudet needs.
grow up and stop be bitter about FSSA, they are not even a recoginzed organization, but COSC is, sheesh what do you want? an entire university run by all colored people? go to Howard then!
Gallaudet is a diversited universtiy and it is trying to show it is.
Both you and js missed my point entirely, I don’t feel it’s worth my time discussing this matter with you.
By the way, Ed, got my masters from Howard, and you need to educate yourself about how Howard is run and on how to address people of color. Hint: it’s not “colored people”.
While we were working at the restaurant in DC, I asked my good friend why she went to the Howard University. She told me that she got the full scholarship since she is the minority.
That explained why she is white….
And your point being? Yes she is a minority at Howard. So?
Kristi,
I could not find percent of white female at Howard University for student demographics. That’s pretty odd why I could not find the strategy info from the 2004-2005 Howard University Annual Report.
http://www.howard.edu/presiden.....4-2005.pdf
She as the white female student was in the small percent of student demographics for the large black student majority.
It been fifteen years ago that she finally graduated at Howard University.
You are full of half truths. All your information is from false rumors on Gally-Net. The Provost is a shared governance position. The President picks his own staff. No one else can decide who goes in that office.
Plus, can you print a list of FSSA people? It will show over 90% of the campus and Deaf world. Evervone except a tiny few were against Jane Fernandes. But you lost. Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?
“The Provost is a shared goverance position.” Is that what MSA was referring to, were they talking about one position, or were they referring to the community as a whole?
If the President picks his own staff, then why did Fred Weiner, Lindsay Dunn, et al have to interview for their Assistant to the President position? Hmm?
90% of the campus and Deaf world? Come on now, don’t make me laugh! 300 students protestors out of 1000+ students- is that 90%?
You must be laughing! because from what I saw on campus-and I was there everyday, often long hours(including nights and weekends)-it was much more than 300 students (around 1500 plus- alot of them in the dorms and other places). If you remmeber, over 82 percent of the faculty also voted against IKJ and BoT. Worldwide Deaf leaders such as Andersson, Scroggin, Lunge, Garreston, Mcfadden, Ramos etc.etc. spoke in favor of the protest. Do I really need to go on?
The MSA was refering to the way IKJ picked JKF as provost. The position of Provost is suppose to be one of shared goverence-meaning it is suppose to be advertized, getting input from the faculty,etc,etc, before the position is filled.
That is what Davilia is doing now.
IKJ never followed the correct procedure- and he was censured by both the Senate Faculty and MSA Commission.
Every new president (in government or in private business) gets to choose his own staff. If you recall- whenever there is a new US President, that incoming administration asked everyone to re-aply for thier old jobs. Some get hired again-some do not.
What Davilia is doing is standard procedure. Nothing racist, and nothing new…he is doing what every new resident does. Look at every new president at every collge/university.
Raphael J. St.Johns C-87, G-00
This is not the White House or the Congress. This is not a elected office. It is expected that a Republican President would rather hire his own staff, mainly most of Republicans. This is an higher education institutions, people should not be demoted just because their stances on the protest was not in line with the President’s stance or that of the two advisors feeding him information. Do you want to be demoted or promoted based on your work contributions or based on whether you agreed or disagreed or said nothing about a controversial protest?
again- you seemed to not undersatnd the proper role that is going on here.
I remember when IKJ frist was granted the job back in 1988. I was there. He did the exact things that is happening now. Merv Garreston and a couple of other people (i.e. Jack Gannon) were moved around. It was not about rasism then-and it is not about race now. If you look at every ( political, educational, business even non-profits)institution-they do the same thing.
Also- you are confusion me. You said that no one is talking about firings- yet you keep saying things like:
“demoted or promoted based on your work contributions or based on whether you agreed or disagreed or said nothing about a controversial protest?”
So which one is it? are you talking about firings(demotions)? or not?
Raphael J. St. Johns, C-87, G-00
Firings are not demotions. These are two very different things. Firings are terminations. Demotions are being dropped down in ranks from your most recent job positions.
Krisit, everyone including Raphael know the definitions. I think that you are confused yourself.
Dunn still works at Gally not fired. Right?
I think you are stil upset for your beloved Africa brother for his demoted position.
I don’t give damn about any white hearing people crying over the spilled milk. That goes to any disabled individual with color, too…
Time is to move on….
no- demotion is a form of firing. if you are demoted from a job- you are fired from that job. They may put you in another job- but it is still considered a form of firing. That is why the courts are so filled with cases of demotion-because a lot of people are demoted everyday.
Please do not misunderstand me. I really want to help you and your organ. do well. Please educate me as to what specifically you want Gallaudet to do? Maybe I can or anyone eles at Gallaudet can help.
Raphael J. St. Johns, C-87, G-00
Raphael,
Demotions does not mean to terminate in any job. You may need to take Human Resource course. Any person who had already demoted can promote the same position again.
Sorry, Kristi…
If you read my response- I said that it is a form of firing. A demotion is , in fact, a form of firing from the persons old job. And more than likely, a permament move. I know that there will be always an exception but I have rarely seen a person (who once demoted) back to the same job. When a person is demoted, that means a likely cut in pay, promotion opportunity, etc. It means “bad mark” in his/hers employment record (most likely).
I neevr said that it was the same as a firing. But the effects can be as devastrating as a firing.
Also, Human resource is very little help in these cases. That is why every year, courts are jammed with demotion cases.
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87, G-00
From http://www.m-w.com:
Main Entry: de·mote
Pronunciation: di-’mOt, “dE-
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): de·mot·ed; de·mot·ing
Etymology: de- + -mote (as in promote)
1 : to reduce to a lower grade or rank
2 : to relegate to a less important position
Main Entry: 2fire
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s):
fired; fir·ing
Date: 13th century
transitive verb
b: to dismiss from a position
Even if you say “it’s a form of firing” it’s still not the same thing, regardless. Firing is firing. Demotion is demotion. Kristi made it clear in the first place.
Again- you have not carefully read my responses. I never said that it is the same as a firng. I said that a demotion is a form of a firing. Please re-read my responses. If you think about it- when a person is demoted, he/she is taken away from the old job…and placed into a new(lower)position. That act itself is a type of firing from the persons old job. It is the same as afiring-but the effects can be the same. That is what I have been saying all along.
I know that there is a different between an outright firing and a demotion.
That is all I been saying.
And I am still waiting for Ms. Merriweather to inform me what,if any , stepes I can do to assist her in this situation?
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87, G-00
So sorry-
“It is the same as afiring-but the effects can be the same.”
I meant:
“It is NOT the same as a firing-but the effects can be the same.”
My mind does not wake up until my first cup of coffee- and I have not had it yet.
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87, G-00
82%? Where did that come from? Was it from the October 16, 2006 vote? If so, then you’re talking about where only 76% of total faculty members were present for the vote for JKF only.
While for the “vote of no confidence” for IKJ only 66% of the total faculty were present for the vote where 54% of them voted “no confidence” in IKJ.
For the BOT vote of “no confidence” only 52% of the faculty were present while 91% of them voted “no confidence” against the BOT.
Please stop with this 82% vote nonsense for all three (IKJ, JKF, and BOT) as if it is a fact. It is NOT.
http://www.elisawrites.com/?p=254
It is just that you need to show how many people were there to explain the percentages. Saying “82%” doesn’t cut it here.
If you wanted to use all 221 faculty members as the number to use to determine how many of them voted against JKF, IKJ, and BOT regardless whether they showed up or not the numbers would be 62%, 36%, and 48% respectively.
82 %is the actuarial representation of the faculty who voted not in favor of the JKF and the BoT. It’s a statical percentage. Anyone who has taken a basic statistic (and I am sure you have) course will you that. That’s why Dr. Ammon and others on the faculty used that number during the faculty march and another occasion.
Raphael J. St.Johns C-87, G-00
Mike,
Following your reasoning, President Bush wasn’t voted in by the majority of Americans. So, if the faculty vote wasn’t “legit”, then either was the recent Presidental election.
The fact is, your vote counts only when you DO vote. That’s how the game is played. The other faculty didn’t show up to vote for or against.
You can’t complain that the faculty isn’t accurately represented when they chose not to represent themselves.
Yes, the fact that not all of them showed at the meeting is an important point.
Or I could bring up the counter arguement is that the faculty meeting was one of the largest in history, which is another important point.
However, by not voting, they chose not to take part in the decision making.
Your argument that the vote was any less important or invalid in any way holds no water. The vote was 82%. Period.
I’m not going around saying, 50% percent (the nonvoting population) of Americans didn’t vote for Bush, so he’s not really our President”.
I’m going around, saying “50% of the Americans are not doing their civic duties. They didn’t vote, and they weren’t counted, and we got stuck with President Bush. We gotta get them to vote.”
So if you REALLY want to pursue the arguement that the faculty vote wasn’t accurate, then will you concede that President Bush’s victory was illegimate?
I didn’t think so. You can’t have it one way or the another.
Actually, I see the votes in terms of Senators or Representatives present to vote on a bill and see if there are enough hands to see the bill through. A bill here could be seen as an “issue” to be voted on where the majority has the voice. In Congress, in order for a bill (“issue”) to pass in the Senate and become a law (“consensus”) all members need to be present to vote.
I see faculty members as being the “elected officials” who have “voting powers” on any issues brought before them in order to get a “group consensus” whether it’s about a vote on “no confidence” or some other issue before proceeding to the next step.
I’ll say it again, the faculty votes weren’t exactly reflective of what all of the faculty members (that’s 221 of them) may have felt. We’re talking about a set number of people here and that’s the 221 faculty members.
Bringing up the Bush vote is really getting old nor is it accurate in this case when used as an example here.
Suppose you had only 36% (80 members) of the faculty members (out of 221) who showed up to vote on JKF and all of them voted for the removal of JKF which would be a 100% vote. But that would not be reflective of what the rest (64% or 141) of the faculty members’ feelings would be on JKF. This would be an attempt at projecting. You cannot extrapolate the voting results to the rest of the absent members.
And the next time you say “82%” be sure to inform people that only 76% of the faculty were present to vote on the JKF matter and nothing about the BOT or IKJ. Not doing so implies that all faculty members voted and got the 82% consensus vote. Not so. That’s my point here.
Not only that, but people phrase it differently. In the presidential elections they say something like, 41% of the voters voted for Blah blah.
So in this case, it should be 82% of the voting faculty were against JKF.
Semantics in this case matter.
Raphael,
No. 82% is a statistical fact that pertains to those 168 faculty members present that voted against JKF for her ouster in Motion B. The 82% voting result has nothing to do with BOT. None. That would be the 91% voting result on the “no confidence” vote against BOT when only 116 faculty members (not 168) were present to vote on Motion F. Nothing I have said earlier is any different what I’m saying now. You cannot make a broad claim about the 82% vote for both JKF and BOT. That would be intellectually dishonest and, at the same time, providing disinformation to those who don’t know better. The 82% is about the vote on JKF only and nothing else. That alone ought to be patently obvious to you.
And lastly, “actuarial representation” pertains to actuary. Or in other words work involving the mathematics of risk such as those who do risk calculations for insurance companies. What you said doesn’t make sense but I know where you’re getting at. And yes, I know statistics since I majored in mathematics and did my graduate work in geophysics/hydrogeology which was heavy in math and geostatistics. And I continue to do similar statistics work as a professional scientist.
Suppose you had only 36% (80 members) of the faculty members (out of 221) who showed up to vote on JKF and all of them voted for the removal of JKF which would be a 100% vote. But that would not be reflective of what the rest (64% or 141) of the faculty members’ feelings would be on JKF.
A relevant point, to be sure, but that doesn’t change the result. The non voters scarified the opportunity to voice their opinion. So it’s not in any sense illegitimate or invalid.
“This would be an attempt at projecting. You cannot extrapolate the voting results to the rest of the absent members.”
Lovely. When do you plan to stop using it as a talking point in your “UFG was illegitimate” arsenal?
I look forward to it.
UFG?
It is projecting whenever people say “82% voted” and include BOT and/or IKJ. Nothing is being said about those votes being illegitimate. I have not even said that, nor implied that. The whole premise to my argument has always been this. Provide factual and accurate information to the readers about the numbers (percentages) behind the vote and don’t assume just because there’s a vote behind it means it’s reflective of all 221 faculty members involved. Saying it’s “not reflective” is NOT the same thing as calling it illegitimate. There is a difference here.
it’d also be deceiving to say only 62% of the faculty voted against JKF.
using ur example: let’s say there were 100 constitutes but only 36 showed up for a meeting and 100% of them voted for something. it’d be misleading to say “only 36% of the constitutes voted for this”, because one’d get the impression that the other 64% voted against “it”.
the probability is extremely low that every member of the faculty who didn’t showed up that night would have voted for JKF. yet that’s what “62%” implies. one unfamiliar with the situation would get this impression if he/she heard only your version.
if we wanted to be super-precise to the point of being anal, we’d say something like “82% of the faculty members in a meeting, in which 76% out of the entire faculty body showed up, voted against JKF.”
It’s not about being anal here. It’s about providing proper info for people who don’t even know the whole story about the 82% vote.
Members do not have to show up in order to vote. There is this thing called “email” where one can vote in absentia. Heck, there is the video phone, too.
“Members do not have to show up in order to vote. There is this thing called “email” where one can vote in absentia. Heck, there is the video phone, too. ”
But they didn’t.
I like what Ben said -
“82% of the faculty members in a meeting, in which 76% out of the entire faculty body showed up, voted against JKF.” ”
There it is.
Mike:
I apolized for mis-stating the facts. You are correct. But I like Ben’s ideal better: do’nt you think it shows a more accurate picture?
I’ve already implicity agreed that Ben’s example is a correct one which is why I said it’s not trying to be anal here but accurate for the readers out there. If you really want to be anal, what the percentage of the 76% that showed up are deaf versus hearing faculty members.
“90% of the campus and Deaf world? Come on now, don’t make me laugh! 300 students protestors out of 1000+ students- is that 90%?”
If that’s making you laugh, what about the 15 people out of 1000+ students? That was a rather futile attempt and your numbers have been revealed.
Perhaps, the audit director from the devil’s advocate likes to play with fire on his own Internet forum so that he and his buddies would earn the full respects from the white folks…
It is time to move on and the deafies with color skins are on the right roads for their successes in bright future…
I don’t think I agree with some of Kristi’s opinions but she is allowed to express them.
One thing that got my attention while reading this blog was that the FSSA appeared to be cast as a “Gallaudet watchdog” organization during the protest. However; since the conclusion of the protest, the FSSA website (http://news.gufssa.com/) has only been re-posting Gallaudet-related announcements.
You are correct, Shane. The FSSA web site has only been used very little for job postings and annoucemnts from Bot, Davillia, etc. It has pretty much dis-banded (not officailly-but the effects are the same).
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87, G-00
Perhaps this is a battle of perceptions. I still believe there’s a kernel of truth in this and want to pay closer attention to why students of color aren’t being entirely heard through widely used channels. I don’t think they’re being demanding at all. What I’m seeing here is a chance to be part of the dialogue, to be included in the decision making process, and to have equal input on improving the campus climate. It seems to me they’re being forgotten or excluded.
Dr. Davila had a successful career at NTID. Diversity there is a celebrated feature of the University and in that sense, way ahead in the game.
He has strategies in place. They may not happen overnight. Based on his record, he understands and needs time and opportunity to make this happen.
I, for one, will be watching closely and listening. Whichever the truth is, diversity can be improved at Gallaudet.
Hmm. I hate to be a cynic here, but c’mon. People had to see this coming. I suspected that when JKF was ousted, this kind of thing would happen. FSSA has not exactly held itself to high standards of conduct and that is one major reason why I personally opposed the protest, and I know I’m not alone in that!
I too, am a bit disgusted at the community’s fixtation on ASL and the SLCC situation. While perceptions matter, and has a huge influence on how we’re treated, arguing about deaf identity and ASL, and the SLCC situation isn’t helping people’s perceptions of us. We have bigger issues that need to be addressed, such as deaf education in general, strengthening ADA, addressing diversity issues within our community and so on. Fighting those battles in the end, WILL change perceptions.
No, you are not alone. I understand there are many like us but they are afraid to be known due to vicious protesters.
Dr. Fernandes is a big ally of people of color and many support her to this day. She wrote about being white in her application to show that she ackknowleges the unearned privilege her white skin had given her at the expenses of people of color. She showed that she understand the benefit her generations of white people have accumulate and passed on her. This historical of power is not acquired by people of color….especially these with history of slavery.
She also is open to all deaf people of any language. Oralists or ASL using deaf people. I am not against oralists at all and respect these who do not want to use ASL.
Hm. I just want to clarify my position here… While I opposed the UFG protests, that does not necessarily mean I completely supported JKF herself. She was qualified, yes, and she didn’t deserve to be vilified like she was. But as time wore on, and of course, hindsight is 20/20… She made a lot of gaffes that a seasoned leader should not have made.
My gripe with the UFG protests has to do with their tactics. There are rules to protesting, you know. And they were broken, left and right by FSSA.
May I ask : how can you and others support JKF when she lied about that so called Diversity plan? During one of her interviews with BoT, she stated that she had a “wonderful plan” to addressed the diversity issue on campus today. But what she failed to mentioned is that this “plan” of hers was the exact one that the faculty and others on campus voted down as being too vague and unresponsive to the issue. Yet she used that “plan” to championed her selection as President.
Please.. I’d like to know…I’d really like to see your response.
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87, G-00
I don’t think this is the right post to discuss our reasons about supporting or not supporting JKF. The dead horse has already been beaten enouh.
This is about the CoSC’s concerns, and what Kristi’s written, imho, merits a close look.
No-you and Schevy brought up JKF supposely support for minority students.
I am just asking a legetmate question: how can you and other support someone(JKF) who has lied about “her plan” to address the real issue of racism at Gallaudet?
Raphael J. St. Johns, C-87, G-00
Go find my posts about it. It’s all over the place here… I’ve commented extensively here on my thoughts regarding her in the past months, and I’m sure people are tired of hearing my opinions on that.
The issue here is about FSSA’s conduct, and Davila’s as well. Kristi brings up a lot of issues that I would like to see addressed. Why is that Davila basically surrounded himself with FSSA individuals? I think that’s pretty disingenuous of him to deny that he doesn’t know who they are.
I will concede that it is impossible to avoid not having some FSSA in high positions. There were far too many faculty involved, for that not to happen. And JT below pointed out a very valid reason regarding Dunn - we can’t really infer the reasons why he was demoted.
But when we’re talking about diversity, people forget this, and I’ve said it before.. It bears repeating… Diversity isn’t just about skin color diversity. It’s about diversity of thought. And that has always been one of Gallaudet’s weaknesses.
We cannot solely depend on FSSA members to give input on how the university should be run. It should come from other groups like CoSC as well.
I can’t speak for the FSSA-nor for Dr.Davila. But I do know that the CoSc decided-for whatever reasons-to drop out of the FSSA sometime during the protest. Could that be a the reason why nobody on campus thinks of them as a source for information on this issue?
You can say all you want to about Davilia choosing FSSA people- but I can tell you agian, he was enjoying his retirement, and he really does not know many -of the protesters.
And I would like to know: where can I find your articles regarding my questions on JKF?
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87,G-00
I haven’t written any blogs on here about JKF, but I’ve pretty much commented on every single blog written about Gallaudet. So reading them should give you a nice idea of my views.
Enjoy.
As for the CoSC situation… I find your comment very interesting. I just want to understand what you’re saying here. CoSC is not a source of information. But does that also mean that their views on what’s happening on campus is not valid? Because that is the implication being conveyed here.
“You weren’t part of the protest, so you don’t know as much as we do. Therefore, your opinions are lesser than ours.”
If I may make an analogy here, what makes this blogsite so great is that none of us have the complete story on anything, but we do all bring some valid views to the table. I’m always finding something said by someone on here that makes me re-think my thoughts on a particular issue.
So what if CoSC dropped out of the protest? They are still part of the campus. They are students there. They participate in other activities. They see what is happening there, just like everyone else. They are entitled to their opinions and views.
And what Kristi’s written is pretty compelling. We do not have the entire story, true. We rarely do in anything. To just discount what she’s written because she wasn’t part of the protest is, in my eyes, gives more justification to people’s complaints that FSSA isn’t sharing responsibilities and being open to other views.
Did I say that ““You weren’t part of the protest, so you don’t know as much as we do. Therefore, your opinions are lesser than ours.”? No. I did not. Nor, did I imply that.
What the writer says would have more validity if her organization (SoC) would have stayed and fought with the FSSA.
I have shared this whole discussion with a couple of friends of mine (both hearing and Deaf) who are not connected to the protest in any way. Thier reactions has been that it sounds to them that the writer is crying foul over nothing-and it would have been more credence if her organization were part of the large group of protesters. Least you think this group of friends of mine is white: three of the 7 are African -americans.
As I have stated eariler- we do have a hugh problem at Gallaudet(in terms of racism).
I really want to help in any way I can.
But it does’nt help me or the problem when the author just writes whatever she wants to without relating it to facts.
Again, I am willing and able to assits anyone in this endevour to solve this problem.
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87, G-00
“What the writer says would have more validity if her organization (SoC) would have stayed and fought with the FSSA.”
I rest my case….
What is exactly your case?
I made my point… after this group of friends of mine all said the same thing.
It is true that if Ms Merriweather’s group would have stayed within the main FSSA group that their statue would have increased.
Now, they looked like an outside group-complaining.
It does’nt take a Ph.d to see that.
I really do not understand “your case”.
Raphael J. St. Johns, C-87, G-00
Raphael J. St. Johns, please scroll below for my response to your comments.
Raphael, it is not called SoC, it is COSC. If you want to know why COSC seceded from FSSA, click on the link (in the word ‘history’)in the posting where it reads “There is a history between…”
So sorry about the miscalling of the org. My point was if thE COSC would have stayed in the FSSA, it would have been given a more stronger voice.
Now-it does lok like it’s is an org. behaving like spoiled brats (this according to my 7 deaf friends, three of whom are African Americans, and who has no connections to the protests).
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87, G-00
Raphael,
Some of my friends (and more than seven of them) felt that the FSSA behaved that way as well.
ohhhhhh boy….
I’ll say this much: I understand the frustration, but come on…. we just had a very serious and devastating protest.
I really don’t see the “Racism” problem, but if the community keeps protesting on issues, it’s going to get worse, then the administration AND the federal gov’t will get tougher on the community. You are opening a pandora’s box…. good luck.
If you and others cannot see the racism problems, we are going to continue to have problems. Pandora’s box was already opened back in April 2006, nobody has addressed it since then.
Kristi, bravo! I applaud your courage in writing this blog. As I’ve seen by the comments so far, your views are not exactly popular. But scoot over, you’ve got company. Me.
Many of the things you pointed out here rang true, based on having followed the events since April 2006 closely. I agree with you 100% that a person’s skin color does not necessarily make him or her a supporter of diversity. Actions speak louder than words. Davila does not appear to be walking his talk yet, and his appointments do not seem to be the very best choices.
While I admire Davila for his accomplishments, I never understood why people were so thrilled about his selection as interim president. Don’t they realize that Davila and Jordan are birds of a feather? I’m happy that Davila is using vlogs to share information, but they are mostly PR and propaganda. Little of substance is actually said, and controversial topics are avoided.
It’s impossible for Davila to not know who was an active supporter of the protest and who wasn’t. He should know better than to tell a lie like that in a public forum. Is his credibility is slowly going down the drain? Davila’s reputation is all he has, really. Honesty and transparency would be much better utilized to win back the trust of the Gallaudet community.
I respectfully disagree with you. Again, I have to reiterate my previous point, you’re not the judge. Dr. Davila decides who he thinks should fill the position. We should trust his judgment and let him lead the University. We all cannot question every decision he makes. RIDICULOUS!
You’re sure quick on your feet to criticize. I highly suspect that race has colored your judgment. Try separating that.
Dr. Davila lied? Oh please! He’s doing a SUPERB job. Stop criticizing him and try to help him make Gallaudet University a better place!
jsa, it’s OK to disagree with me. I’m fine with that.
Actually, I have to chuckle. You’ve mirrored to me the exact same words I said about Jordan and Fernandes not too long ago: they’re doing a superb job, stop criticizing them, help them make GU a better place, trust their judgment, let them lead, and don’t question every decision they make. Same song, different verse. Only the names have changed.
Oh, the irony! Life sure is funny sometimes.
‘they’re doing a superb job, stop criticizing them, help them make GU a better place, trust their judgment”
I would like to point out one major difference. IKJ and JKF had a long history with the University and people were very familiar with their style of leadership.
With Dr. Davila, we are not (at least I am not). I cannot predict what he will do or not do. I am cautiously optmistic at this time.
With IKJ and JKF, we all knew what we were getting, and most of us didn’t want it.
THAT is a big difference.
WSS, your statement that “we all knew what we were getting and most of us didn’t want it” is not accurate. I can only speak for myself, and I didn’t have any problems with IKJ’s leadership.
It’s my opinion that IKJ and Davila are very similar and share several common values.
Hi CE. :)
I’m wondering what common values do you think they share? From what I’ve observed, they seem to be very two different individuals.
Hi DP. :)
Perhaps I should have said “similar characteristics” rather than values, but let’s assume that the values underlie the characteristics. The similarities between Davila and IKJ that come first to mind are: the use of sim-com and signed English in public speaking situations… The use of “spin doctoring” to put a good face on Gallaudet’s problems… avoidance or denial of controversial issues … Pleasant and friendly persona. … postlingual hearing loss … public icon or role model, IKJ as a deaf university president, and Davila as a Hispanic deaf president … that’s all I can think of right now.
I am familiar with IKJ’s positions. I never did have a complaint with his work, although I disagreed with some of his objectives. He did a pretty good job as University President (except for during the UFG protest).
It is also very much possible that two individuals with a similiar outlooks, values and ideologies, will approach a situation a different way. Just because Dr. Davila is superficially similiar to IKJ, doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a different “behind the scenes” apporach. It doesn’t mean the result will be the same.
I’m glad you were happy with IKJ, but he was leaving. Reading back, I realized I may had made it seem that I wasn’t happy with IKJ. I was. Let me clarify.
I just thought that it was time for a change. With Jane K Fernandes, I had no confidence that she had the ability to lead the University in the direction it needs to go.
Glad we can agree on *something*, WSS ;)
I think one of the points that Kristi made in her blog is that so far, Davila is not doing anything so earthshakingly different than IKJ has done. I’d like to be impressed. So far, I’m just lukewarm. But I’m willing to give him a chance to show what he’s made of. I was willing to give JKF a chance too, even though I didn’t like some of the things I heard about her.
Smile. That’s where we differ. I was *okay* with the appointment of JFK but seeing how she dealt with the crisis the first week convinced me she wasn’t cut out for the job.
hallelujah! I agree with you about that too. :) I wasn’t impressed by how she handled some things related to the protest either, and/but am willing to grant that there may have been stuff going on behind the scenes that the public was not privy to.
my thought exactly, WB.
One thing I am a little confused about…
In the first paragraph, Kristi states that there was a demonstration held on the Gallaudet campus in regards to the concerns of diversity. However, according to this post, only around 15 individuals participated.
Fifteen individuals? On a campus with over one thousand students and many faculty and staff of color? Not to mention that I would hope that even those who do not belong to the COSC would still have been involved.
Maybe I am misunderstanding something here - if you mean that these 15 were the people who were actual speakers, etc…then I would like to know exactly how many people were actually in attendance at this event? What occurred? What was the overall response of the campus community?
COSC did have a meeting with Dr. Davila, which I think is positive in itself, since it indicates his willingness to make time in a busy schedle to hear the concerns being expressed by this group. However, nothing is said in regards to what the outcome of that meeting was.
I’m not saying that COSC does not have some valid concerns that need to be addressed. But this post seems to ask more questions than it answers. Perhaps that was its intentions, I’m not sure.
To be honest, I’m not sure if I really do understand what the purpose of this post is supposed to be. Yes, it is well-written. Yes, it expresses some strong opinions, and some clear concerns.
But what exactly is being asked for here? And what direction is Kristi proposing we move in from here, and how do we go about doing so?
I’m not trying to be argumentative…I really do want to try and understand. But I’m not sure I’m getting a clear picture of the issues here.
“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.” - Margaret Mead
I can see a few things that can be changed. One is to undo what has been done to Linsday Dunn. What has he done to deserve that treatment? I’ve read his writings in the past, and the man seems very committed to diversity and such.
Another is to hire qualified people with experience in diversity.
I agree with what CE said above about just because you’re a person of color does not necessarily mean you’re committed to diversity itself, or have experience in dealing with it.
Lastly, Davila can surround himself with *diverse* advisors, not just advisors from FSSA, and that seems to be the case here, unfortunately.
Please let me stress that we don’t really know why Linsday Dunn’s position was changed. We can speculate all we want (and KBM’s reasons seem compelling), but we can’t infer as to why he was “demoted”. Not unless we hear directly from the person responsible for the decision.
I agree with you, Deaf Pundit - small groups definitely can do big things!
My point wasn’t to imply that this group wasn’t a legitimate one capable of doing some positive things, but more to get a sense of what the overall campus involvement and response to this demonstration was, that I might better determine what the “climate” at Gallaudet is in regards to the concerns being addressed here.
I don’t live in the DC area myself and truthfully am not that involved with what goes on at Gallaudet, so it is blogs like this one which serve a valuable purpose in keeping me informed of what the issues are. I’m very indebted to DeafDC and other blogs/vlogs for such. But as has been pointed out in an earlier blog, it is up to us readers to put on our thinking caps and engage in that critical analysis and intelligent discussion of such issues in order to come to our own educated decisions.
At this point in time, I don’t feel I’m in a position to make a judgement of any type, but I do thank Kristi for expressing her concerns and bringing them to my attention, as well as the rest of our readership.
I do hope that we can continue to discuss and debate the issues here and elsewhere, and that the Gallaudet administration sits up and takes notice.
“At this point in time, I don’t feel I’m in a position to make a judgement of any type, but I do thank Kristi for expressing her concerns and bringing them to my attention, as well as the rest of our readership.”
Exactly! I have refrained from expressing an opinion. Mainly because I am not a person of color, and so I do not perceive things the way persons of color might. I know I just might be missing some subtle cultural references and racist attitudes there and there (since I am white and I have not been a target of racism).
I have been reading the blogs, trying to understand their concerns, but I’m still feeling torn. I DO see why there are concerns and I believe they should be addressed. On the other hand, I am having difficulty perceiving it the way a person of color might.
Was Lindsay demoted because of his color? Maybe. I don’t really know. Appointing Darian Burwell in his place confuses the issue for me. If it’s racism, then why replace him with a black woman? That’s just one of the finer points I am confused about.
Another thing I am unsure how to react to is Davila’s choices of appointments. I do believe he has a right to choose who he wants in his so-called “cabinet”. What are his motivations beyond this? So far I have given him the benefit of the doubt because I believe he has the experience and leadership ability needed for the next year and a half.
I believe the concerns of the COSC are real, and that there IS insitutional racism at Gallaudet.
I just am having difficulty seeing the connection between racism and Dr. Davila’s recent actions as Intermin President. I’m inclined to wait and see what happens and judge later. What if a year later, Dr. Davila has set up a excellent scholarship program for minorities? Will that counterbalance the “whitness” of his current administration? When will he be “colored enough”? (Sorry, I couldn’t resist putting that one in. I apologize in advance)
I’m actually wondering - is this the real issue here? Or just the last straw that started the fire? Is this just a reaction to a long - suppressed frustration with the racism at Gallaudet?
UFG happened because there was a long history of grievances which ignited at a specific point, that was embodied by the appointment of Dr. Jane Fernandes.
When it gets to a certain point, there is always people who will say, “Enough!”. I get the impression that this is what this is about. COSC is saying that this has to stop.
I agree. I am just not sure what you are trying to accomplish here. I also am not so sure that Dr. Davila’s recent decisions had any racist implications. For instance, if he changed his mind tomorrow and reappointed Darnell, would everything be all right? No. Would that change anything at all (another than minority students having someone they feel more comfortable with as Ombudsman)?.
No? Then what would?
I’m listening and trying to learn.
Me too- I am trying to understand and listen-I really want to help as much as I can.
I really want Gallaudet to be a great place for everyone. But so far, I do’nt see anyone informing me what do they think should be done to address this issue.
Give me specific, reasonable steps!
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87, G-00
Regarding the question about Darian being a black woman = racism, no, that’s not the connection I’m trying to make. There are 6 subpoints in the posting. Only one- that’s #3- speaks directly of racism, in the form of demotion and potential termination (in the form of setting someone up to fail).
The remaining five spoke of group nepotism, MBI v. shared governance, issue of competency in relation with position, priorization of diversity.
My point about Darian is that they have put in that office somebody who had zero credible experience with diversity in a time of sensitive climate where diversity is of upmost importance. I don’t care what ethnic group she is, black, white, Asian, whatever, if this is someone that would not have gotten the job if it was an open position with an interview, then she does not deserve to be there. They have *appointed* a *novice* and put her in charge of an issue that is vulnerable to misunderstandings. You have COSC opposing her appointment, what does that say about Darian’s capability of healing the rifts?
I want to share something else. This morning as I was driving to work, a thought occurred to me. I was thinking about why some informants were adverse to give me permission to quote them or to add evidence. Understandably, they were afraid of losing their jobs or getting some kind of negative outcome. Then it occured to me…isn’t that a form of MBI? *Shrugs* we’ll see in about a year from now…
Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification.
Personally, I do not know what the qualifications for the position is and how Darian and Lindsay are qualified/not qualified so I’m witholding judgement on that.
From what I understand from an account given to me, it was 15 individuals (students and staff) who stood or sat near the three boxes and answered questions of anybody who were curious about the demonstration. They have allies who cannot physically be there- either because of distance (like me in Atlanta and Sheri Mutti in California) or because they are trying to protect their Gally jobs. I don’t know the size, I garner it is relatively small if you want to compare it with the recent protest. No matter. A cause should not defined by sheer numbers, but by what is morally right. I’d rather be in the minority right, than in the majority wrong. The overall response, I don’t know, I didn’t ask about that.
I wrote this blog over the weekend, those who went to the meeting had to “digest” what occurred at the meeting, so by the time I got a response, it was time for this blog to be posted. And even if I got it earlier, it wouldn’t be included because the blog was already long. What does COSC want? I’ve seen a rough draft of the 19 problems and 19 solutions recommended by COSC from the meeting, and I was told that once the kinks are worked out, it will be posted publicly. I hope this response answer your questions.
Hi Kristi:
There are many places to pick a spot and jump into this discussion, so I’m going to start here:
I think that the protest that the COSC recently held was a good and just thing. I’m absolutely against the Community’s interpretation of the MSA’s letter which stated that if there is “another incident,” our accreditation will be in jeopardy. My own personal interpretation of that implication is that if there is ever another type of protest *that closes classrooms, buildings, or the entire campus,* THAT will jeopardize our accreditation. Any other type of protest, however, should be fine (provided that people are not threatened, assaulted, etc).
Now, speaking on that one point, and that point alone, I have a hard time seeing how the MSA could really mean otherwise. Protest is a type of expression, and Free Expression is protected under our constitution. And even if it wasn’t, it would be hypocrisy on the MSA’s part–on anyone’s part, really–to say that the definition of an institution of higher education is (I’m paraphrasing here) “a place where all viewpoints are equally valued and expressed…” and then turn right around and say “but if you express yours, we’ll shut you down.” It just doesn’t match up. And the fact that the MSA hasn’t written any recent icy letters regarding the COSC’s protest, I tend to think that I’m right on this one. If I’m not, then why go to Gallaudet? I just went by the George Mason University campus last week to meet with my dissertation Board. On my way to the meeting I passed two separate groups of students… one planning a Take Back the Night rally, and the other protesting fear over the use of nuclear power. Now granted GMU wasn’t being faced with closure, but neither is GMU freaking out every time someone makes a cardboard protest sign. This is a part of the educational process. This is important. Protest and activism has a PLACE on a university. Any university without those things is dead inside, that’s my take.
So if the members of the COSC are upset to any extent on any issue, then they SHOULD protest. Especially if all other avenues have been exhausted (such as private meetings with administrators, etc). This Community needs to learn to express its anger. We block that from happening because we have levels and layers of mechanisms designed to prevent anger from ever being expressed. That’s why we’re having such a hard time now in trying to learn that anger itself isn’t the enemy; nor even is *expressed* anger.
The real problem is repressed and oppressed anger, because the longer anger is held in, the more explosive it becomes when it’s finally let out. And I believe that a big part of the reason why UFG became as bitter and ugly as it did.
That being said, I’ll make other points as this discussion continues. I just want to say, though, that I support what the COSC did. Protest is not a privilege. It is a right, and anyone who wants us to believe otherwise is someone we should henceforth make a point of * not * obeying.
Hi Chris,
I agree that telling people to repress their frustration and pretend everything is honky donky for the sake of the “greater good” (as if minorities don’t matter) is a recipe for diaster down the road. The sooner it is addressed, the better off we will all be later.
The saying is “hunky dory,” different from “honky tonky” which usually means country (with honky signifying whiteness).
Kristi,
You wrote:
“Prior to the demonstration, the COSC and its allies were warned that it would threaten MSA accreditation, so why risk Gallaudet’s future?”
Who issued that warning? If it that kind of warning was made, it sounds very MBI to me. All of us with a stake in Gallaudet University ought to be able to express our opinions without being warned that the weight of the MSA accreditation rests on our shoulders.
Sharon
That warning came from various people on gally l net.
Kristi–
I wouldn’t buy that unless you provided specific sources. Verify. Evidence. Verify. Evidence. Verify. Evidence, ever heard of that?
Sharon asked where I got that statement and I said it came from various people on gally l net, if you want evidence, go into gally l net archives in the month of February and check out their responses.
Kristi,
Why don’t you provide us the links or you are too lazy?
More like too busy.
I did see those warnings on gallynet.
Just backing up Kristi here.
Can we have names of those who warned? I’m sure they all were made by whites.
As for it being MBI, I’d like to know if those whites were administrators or not, otherwise it’s just a climate of intimidation. I also would like to know the number of persons who made these “warnings”. If three, that’s insensitivity. If fifteen, then that’s intimidation.
I can not find a perfect university.
I can easily find something dirty.
I can not find a perfect church.
I can easily find a smirch.
I can not find a perfect organization.
I can easily find a friction.
Think twice. Give them a chance.
Has Davila appointed any women to any postions or is he sticking with men?
Yes, he has. Darian is a woman.
Kristi, great job and great writing as usual.
For the people who think racism doesn’t exist anymore or think it’s an euphemism, wake up and smell the coffee. Despite progess the last 400 years, black people are still being stepped on and smushed like cockroaches. Which some of you still do imply that is what we are.
But I want to note I did not support the protest in its entirety. I did feel the search process wasn’t kosher, being that both Glenn Anderson and Rosyln Rosen were excluded from of the finalists’ circle, but this dude named Ron Stern with no Ph.D or exemplary accomplishements to warrant serious consideration for the weighty position of Gallaudet president was able to run the last leg of the race? Come on.
I don’t know enough about how the wheels of Gallaudet system works, but I do know that if Fred Weiner and Lindsay Dunn were in comparable positions, and then one is demoted further than the other, that needs to be examined closely. Maybe Lindsay Dunn spoke out too often and too loudly that the powers-that-be wasn’t comfortable in him continuing in such a high profile position? And no I’m not saying black people in general can’t be outspoken.
I think that the COSC’s complaints abt the lack of diversity and oportunites (both academic and professional) are valid. I question the method of demostrating, though. After the well-known protest that ended a few months ago, now this one? Pretty soon we’ll justify what people been saying all along: we always protest about nothing! “She doesn’t say hi” ring any bells? Then the true message and issue get ignored and shoved aside.
My problem with this blog is that there needs to be concrete evidence. The problem in regards to the claim of racism is it’s often difficult to prove, because companies are pretty good at covering their tracks. I have a white sounding name and I can’t count the times where my resume or phone interview were stellar, and yet when I show up for a face to face interview, the interviewer would strain to look beyond the door in hopes that the black person in front of her could not possibly be the one shown on the resume.
One thing I noticed is now that Dr. Davila has taken the helm, we all are expected to just accept the plan and go along with it. Reminds me of Star Trek, the Borg. What happened to the critical thinking and analysis that went on?
My other problem is comment #79890. Where did it show that many people of color supported JKF? Her plan was so vague it couldn’t pass mustard. And if she did mention that her unearned privileges her white skin gave her in the application, this may be just some bulls*** to make her look good to the potential interviewers, which was the BoT. Don’t we all embellish our information sometimes?
In the nutshell, a lot of these comments are “poo poo” and “shut the f*** up and deal with it.” Racism is indeed an ugly issue because it exposes people’s ugly attitudes. So next time you cry it doesn’t exist, you can borrow my shoes and wear them for 1 day. See how fast you’ll change your tune. *whistling “Dixie”*
Sez who,
I find it odd that we have some people saying all is well with Gallaudet, it is a divese univerity, and yet we have had to from 2002 to today:
Have Campus Climate Process
Have Diversity Fellows
Have COSC
Have OEAA and the recent presentation
and now have some advisory committee Davila is proposing
What’s next before people wake up and see there *is* a racism problem on campus? People expecting to see masses of students/faculty/staff/alumni of color come out of every corner with protest signs of “Stop Racism”, that ain’t gonna happen. They’re more vulnerable, and they know they’ve got families to feed, mortgages to pay, and the what nots. Does the low turn-out mean racism doesn’t exist? Of course not.
All is well with Gallaudet, indeed.
Kristi —
Are you a stakeholder of Gallaudet? Or are you a lawyer representing the people of color at Gallaudet?
I am an alumni.
Great job, Kristi. This racial diversity issue is a serious one. Something that I’ve recognized ever since 1988 when I stepped on the Gallaudet campus for the first time. And as usual, the tone from many people responding to this issue still seem to indicate a less than sympathatic understanding to seriously try and move forward. And be included as part of the “social justice” needing to be corrected that many were screaming about. Just that diversity wasn’t really that important to seriously address it for the first time.
If ya’ll ask me, it does sound a bit patronizing when such a thing as this gets tuned out.
You’re absolutely right, Mike. Audism seem to be their sole hot button, any other issues- well, not important. We need to step out of that illusory box that says we cannot fight two things at the same time. If Frederick Douglass and Sojourner Truth, fighting slavery and fighting for women’s suffrage, we can fight racism and audism at the same time. I do not have confidence in a “Team FSSA University” to address racism, the track record is not there.
Kristi- Racisms exists every where!
Even white people are being discriminated because they have to hire miniorities.
It seems everything we all do, a smaller group who isn’t happy with the decision and calls it racism.
I’ll give you an example, one time a black girl cut me off in a line, I told her you need to go back in the line like everybody else, she then tells me I’m a racist… wtf, just like you are doing…… Davilla hired a black person, how can that be a racism. It is not a racism if he decides to hire a pro-fssa people.
ITS NOT A RACIST behavior. quit playing the “racist card” and learn to work together.
The same can be said for people to stop playing the “audist card” just as well and learn to work together.
Come on, that girl was dead wrong when she cried racism. You know better than to paint with a broad stroke.
Now, notice I didn’t classify each subpoints as racism. When did I ever say the pro-FSSA appointments was a sign of racism? This is a sign of GROUP FAVORITISM. We don’t need a “Team FSSA University.” Gallaudet is not for FSSA to control. What happened to Dunn, now I’m classifying that as racism.
Segregation and slavery exists in all of the Southern at one point, does that mean we have to just accept the lot and grin and bear it? Or be change agents? Your choice, your contribution, our legacy.
I think you, and everyone else reading this blog, would be intereted to know that President Davila’s office has been reaching out to those who did not suppport the protest at Gallaudet University. We have ongoing meetings with Richard Lytle, and have had one hour and a half meeting with the President. Because Davila was not on campus, many of the hurtful and harmful things that happened were things he was not aware of. Many people who did not support the protest are still in a great deal of pain and grief and fear. We want to find ways to work to alleviate some of that, and the cooperation with the President’s office is a beginning. We are going slowly, building trust.
The major thing of interest is that after two months in office, Dr. Davila is still learning the job and learning about the people here. I find him to be a strong, open-minded, flexible, and honorable person. He sincerely wants to do a good job for Gallaudet University, and needs all the input he can get.
Some of this input will be seen as “negative” like Kristi’s blog, but I have to agree with Chris that the ability to disagree and state alternative views is what a university is about. If we can begin to respectfully disagree, we are making progress. For this reason, Kristi’s comments are very important. I have been working on diversity issues all the time I have been at Gallaudet (I teach Comparative Religion - which is an exercise in learning respect) and I feel we are at a very important place. Can we truly be inclusive? Do we want to be? I fear that some don’t. Which makes speaking out all the more important.
Here is my challenge. What are each of us willing to do to make Gallaudet University a place that welcomes and supports any and all deaf and hard of hearing and hearing students who wish to study here? What practical steps can be taken? If you let me know, I’ll be sure to pass it on. Aretha Franklin had it right. It’s all about RESPECT.
Hi Jane:
I personally think that both sides have to acknowledge that that’s exactly what they are… *sides*. You and I, for example. Faculty members. Friends who get along. Yet we disagree on the protest. I supported it, obviously, and you didn’t. Now take Kristi and I. If you asked either of us… was UFG REALLY about social justice? I would say yes. I’m not sure what she would say, but I kind of get the feeling that she wouldn’t be in as complete agreement with me as others might be.
But even if she isn’t, does that mean that racism is no longer a problem on campus? Of course not… racism and probably every other kind of ‘ism’ here is alive and well. And we have to do what our hearts tell us to do. My heart has been my only guide through this whole, crazy thing. I’m glad that I listened to what it was telling me. But I because I actually DID that, I know firsthand how hard and frightening it can be, so I have to respect other people who report similar feelings when they follow THEIR hearts.
Jane, all I can say is that I personally don’t want ANYONE to live in fear or grief or anger… but on the other hand, I don’t want one group’s healing at the expense of another’s. Thus whenever I see someone who didn’t really support the UFG protest nonetheless come forward and add “but I acknowledge, yes, DPS not being able to sign is a huge problem… many things are huge problems here…” That makes it easier for me (and, I would bet, a lot of people) to start trusting those who didn’t support us. I need to really know that, regardless of what side we were all on, we’re not in DENIAL. I need to know we’re doing something.
And these blogs give me hope. Every real name I see gives me hope. Davila’s meetings give me hope. I believe in hope. I refuse to give up. And I think that when push comes to shove, a LOT of us will refuse to give up.
We’re all going to get it right one of these days, Kristi. If that were not possible, we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now.
Mr. Heuer, please get over the fact that not everyone who reads or posts in the blogosphere wants to use their real name. That does not make them any less of a real person, nor does it make their opinions invalid. Perhaps (as an English teacher), you have heard of Mark Twain? Or even Boz? Perhaps you need a more modern example, I give you “Anonymous” who wrote Primary Colors. Each of these people used pseudonyms at some point during their careers, and each of them also wrote about issues dealing with social justice/injustice, just as you are doing at this point. Your continued insistance on having real names in order to give you “hope” is not only asinine, it’s also getting tiresome.
Hi Themis:
Chill. I’m not quite at the point of “insisting.” But I’m also not going to give up hoping for more real names. And it’s not because I don’t respect what anonymous posters have to say. It’s not because I don’t think they’re real people. Rather it’s because the real scumbags out there are the types of people who *will* fire you for what you said on the internet. It’s pure hypocrisy when such people say they’re all for open dialogue and so forth, yet when your next evaluation comes up, you can’t quite help but notice that these same people won’t give you the time of the day.
And Themis, THEY (the scumbags described above) –and not me– are the people who don’t look at anonymous posters as real people. It’s easier to dismiss the community’s arguments when you don’t know if one person is posting under twenty different identities, or if twenty different people are posting. Do their arguments hold merit? Sure. But a jerk is LOOKING for an excuse to dismiss you. That’s why nothing ever changes. That’s why a lot of stuff stays at the level of “just talk.” Scroll up. What did Kristi say about all of those plans already on the table? There’s a lot of them, and they’ve been there for years. But to back them up… that requires a face and a name.
That’s too bad, that you think that’s assinine and tiresome. Because it also happens to be true.
Themis, scroll down to the bottom. Something else I want to say to you.
Dr. Jane Hurst, this is what I’d like to see the Davila administration do right now (with hat tip to Kristi for most of them). It’s not too late to mend fences, and Davila’s stock will rise astronomically for tackling these issues head on.
1. Appoint a Diversity Relations presidential assistant who has credibility in the eyes of organizations of students of color, and has a documented record of actions taken to diminish racism and other kinds of intolerance.
2. Select an Ombudsman who is known to be neutral and objective, and is neither a supporter nor an opponent of FSSA or the protest.
3. Involve all faculty, staff, and students, including non-FSSA members, in management decisions as much as possible.
4. Be truly transparent. Don’t shade the truth or put a spin on the facts in public. If you can’t talk about it, either say so or don’t bring it up at all.
5. Re-evaluate Lindsay Dunn’s demotion and current job duties. This kind of thing doesn’t make the administration look good at all.
6. Start implementing the Diversity Strategic Plan and activate the Office of Minority Affairs. Follow the recommendations of the Campus Climate Process Report.
7. Do a vlog about the critical issues cited in the proposals.
Diversity issues demand leadership starting at the very top. Gallaudet administrators should set an example for all Gallaudetians to follow. Otherwise it’s just more of the same old, same old.
oops! sorry KBM, didn’t see your reply down below. it was unintentional to repeat your words here.
Oh, no, don’t apologize, I really liked your list! You plan to email that to Davila? Anybody else co-signing on that?
Count me in.
I’m thinking about it. I’m also wondering how to make a letter or email more effective. Can it be from one person, like me, or from a group of people? Maybe a postcard campaign? something like that.
By the way, Kristi, I have a question. The link to the Diversity Strategic Plan actually goes to the document “New Directions for Academic Affairs.” Is that the same thing you had in mind? It’s not very specific about Diversity. I’m interested in viewing the diversity action plan too.
“New Directions in Academic Affairs” was interesting in its own right and worth a read.
I would support that.
Hmm. I’m inclined to say it would be effective if it came from individuals, but problem is, not very many of us know what to say. So if a bunch of us sent the same thing to Dr. Davila, he’ll think it’s just a form letter.
So I would go with a group letter in this case.
And btw, you can count me in for this one.
I stand corrected. This is the intended one:
http://academicaffairs.gallaud.....ll2006.pdf
I do not think one person letter will do it. If a small group wasn’t enough to convince him, then one person letter is just peanuts. By postcard campaign, do you mean something where supporters “sign” their name on one group letter (the names coming from those who declares they want their name on it), then it gets emailed to Davila?
there’s probably a few different ways it could be done. an email postcard - copy a postcard-size design with an issue printed on it, paste into an email, add your name, and sent to Davila. For another: each person who wants to participate buys 10 postcard stamps. Download the postcard design from someone’s web site, print on card stock, sign your name, attach stamp. It would be cool if the card was designed with something eye catching and in a bright color, so that when a bunch of them arrive every day during the campaign, they’ll be very noticeable piling up in Davila’s mailbox. It’s not very environmentally correct though. Recycled paper, maybe? :)
Kristi, I thought the Diversity Plan looked great. I don’t quite understand why Davila’s administration decided to toss it all out and start all over again. That’s what I understood from reading his open letter about it. Did I understand it correctly? Do you have any further information about exactly what was wrong with it? And while on the subject of Davila’s open letters, that same letter mentioned Lindsay Dunn. Not a word was said about a “demotion.” It was a masterpiece of spin. How disappointing. I really expected more and better of him.
I’m embarrassed that I’ve never even looked at the Diversity Plan before. The recommendations in it are very, very timely and highly relevant to all of us.
Exactly! So why the need to set up an ad hoc Advisory Committee? To do what? To kill time and parrot the same old same as found in that diversity report? Coordinated action under someone with expertise on these points is what is needed at this stage.
Curious Eyes, about the postcard, it sounds doable, so anybody good at doing postcard design that we can download and mail to Davila?
Maybe the front can read in big bold letters “We want a better Gallaudet, not a Team FSSA Gallaudet”
And the back lists some recommendations?
That’s one way.
Alternate way is group letter- one letter and everybody in agreement emails the originator to have their name added at the bottom (within a specific time period of 36 hours).
Which is best?
Kristi, if you could send me the rough draft of the 19 recommendations, I could copy them onto a .pdf document for the postcard that people could download. My email address is I_Am_Curious_Eyes (at) Yahoo.com. I could make 19 different designs to print on sheets of card stock, that can then be cut up into postcard-size cards. Davila’s address can be pre-printed on the other side. I could whip something up over the weekend. If folks want to print their own cards from their home computers, the card stock has to be 100-lb. cover card stock. You can get this kind of card stock from any office supply store, 250 sheets for about $12. (The Post Office has regulations about what size and type of card stock is acceptable for postcard mailing.) I don’t know if that will be too complicated for most folks?
If you want, I can host the pdf document on Silent Cacophony for people to download and print. I think that’s the most cheapest way for us to do it, actually. We print our own then send it to Davila.
My 2 cents.
I think it will be just a tad complicated for most folks, if they don’t live near a Staples or Office Depot. Just spoke with someone about the 19 points document, he said the hold up is because there is a meeting scheduled with Davila to go over and agree with the 19 points on March 19th. Then he will distribute it. We agreed if it ends up to be just another delaying tactic, I would post it up on the 20th. So, let’s hold off til the 19th.
Kristi,
If you are against removing any black employee without violating any policy, there is nothing you can do.
I read Washington Post article about the DC black mayor removed the black DC Police Chief for white female DC Police Commander.
Early Struggles Helped Forge Lanier’s Resilience
Former Teen Welfare Mother Poised to Become 1st Woman Confirmed as D.C. Police Chief
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01594.html
Look at the interesting quotations:
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The choice was also a surprise for another reason: After years of criticizing Ramsey, Fenty chose one of the chief’s proteges for the top job.
There were complaints from some in the black community that Fenty passed over African American candidates who they felt would better represent the mostly black city. The force is 76 percent male and 63 percent black.
Some doubts remain. Ronald E. Hampton, executive director of the National Black Police Association and a former D.C. police officer, said picking Lanier was “risky” for Fenty.
“The chief of police ought to be a person of color,” Hampton said. “We’ve got a lot of white people in these positions, and that becomes problematic for recruitment. You wonder why young kids in the black community don’t want to be police officers.”
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Kristi, what can you do? How come you did not bark to the new DC mayor? Why are you giving Interim President Davila hard time? He is neither black, white nor asian. Yet he is hispanic. He has his rights to pick his own team since he has 18 months term. Sorry to hear that Dunn is demoted but he might be back to his old position after two years.
BTW, are you aware of NAACP President quits becasue of conflicts of interest?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00616.html
Is there any new story for us?
Mookie
Mookie,
We do not need to select black individuals. We all don’t have to.
We should always use our best judgment and remain fair to all applicants. Dr. Davila has his reasons for selecting Ms. Burwell.
I am very positive that Dr. Davila has his own reasons for demoting Mr. Dunn. It’s long overdue anyway.
If you quickly complain that a black person has been passed over for a job, then it’s evident that you’re a racist.
Jsa Banks,
I think you misunderstood easily. Read again this whole Krista’s thread.
I strongly support Davila for making his own team as you recently mentioned. Where did you get an idea that I oppose? You need to show me the evidence that I am a racist…you still owe me an apology…
I have tasted different international food espeically soul food. How about you?
What does tasting international food (especially soul food) have to do with whether someone is a racist or not? I know some racists who love mexican food, but they poke fun at it talking about how it makes sense why the “spics” are that color cuz they eat too many goddamn beans.
Sorry to be blunt, but that’s how it is.
Haha. IMHO, no need to apologize for being blunt. That kind of comment is refreshing for me to see! :)
Yes, Vikki,
I have eaten great food with my family at Muggs and Beans restaurant in South Africa last year.
http://www.muggandbean.co.za/
Yep, we were the minority group. Feel free to provoke me…
I’m not trying to provoke you, but still am waiting on your answer on how sampling international food automatically makes a person not racist.
What’s different between kissing the international person and eating the international food? You know the perfect answer…
Just because you eat different food doesn’t mean you love the culture/race where the food came from. Pretty much everyone loves chicken and watermelon, but they don’t always love black people.
Also, the last time I checked, food doesn’t talk back, express emotions, or interact with the “eater.” If the food was able to, it would make every attempt to jump off the plate, for sure. Why? Because it knows it would feel PAIN.
So THAT is the perfect answer.
*Signs* I imagine my former co-workers, black and hispanic cooks, probably laugh at this one…
JSA Banks:
Yours is a real good one.
I have to be honest here.
As someone who has been at Gallaudet for six years (not a lifetime) I have seen Gallaudet’s decline. I have seen where it came from. It did not come from racism, audism, or any of the isms. It came from pure and simple LAZINESS. This is still pervasive on campus. SO MANY people at Gallaudet are being paid to do NOTHING. Do we really need secretaries for EVERY department? Do we really need 20 ITS people, none of whom know how to set up a network, or do anything beyond basic computer skills? So many people at Gallaudet are just mooching off the system. The janitors sit around all day and work less than an hour. The PPD guys have golf cart races and fill up their cars at the gas pump that’s supposed to be for the buses. The professors. Don’t even get me started on the professors. About 80% of the tenured faculty view tenure as a paid vacation. I can count on one hand the number of times I have gotten a thoughtfully read, commented, and graded assignment returned to me. Most of the time, my papers just go in a black hole and I never see them again. Can you blame the students for not being excited about school when they are faced with that kind of apathy? They pay good tuition and what do they get in return?
So forgive me if I completely dismiss you as a zealot who is not looking at the real issues. Because, in my mind, that is what you are. You live in Atlanta. You’re not here. You don’t see that we have a HISPANIC president, and many qualified black people who have been promoted. Instead, you choose to yowl about Lindsay Dunn. I know Dunn. I’ve had a lot of conversations with him, and I acknowledge his intelligence and way with words. However, I also acknowledge that he has a HUGE chip on his shoulder, and every time I talk to him, he has something to complain about. It’s never positive with him. I don’t blame Davila for demoting him, although I do sympathize with him.
All in all, we all need to get our noses to the grindstone, worry about ourselves, work hard, and stop complaining. Once we have done that, only THEN can we complain. If you don’t do anything to change things besides complain, don’t be surprised when they stay the same.
Please look at the big picture here. This is not about one person, Dunn. He is not the alpha and omega of the problem here. I wrote about him because he happens to be the latest victim of a string of systematic racism.
If being vigilant against racism and audism makes me a zealot, then I accept that characterization.
Ok- in the movie “Jerry McGuire” there was a long conversation between the agent (Jerry) and the football player (Rod). Jerry was pleading with Rod: “help me help you-tone down the attitude a little”, Rod kept screaming about his “Kwan”. As a result of that conversation, both men became frustrated.
I feel that is where I am at now. No one has informed me specifically what steps they would like the Gallaudet community to follow in order to resolve this problem.
Would they want Gally to hire more people of
diversity? If so, how many? And what types of hiring? And by what date? Workshops, seminars on issues of diversity? I know we have a big job ahead of us- I know it is a big problem on campus.
I am willing to assist in any way I can. But I need ideals and suggestions- not just people blowing off smoke.
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87, G-00
Kristi,
Raphael J. St. Johns makes a reasonable request. What can be done?
Thanks Shane- I have ben asking and asking!
Again..many thanks.
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87, G-00
Yes, it is reasonable, I did “hear” that question, and I did not answer it on purpose because I am waiting for that official report from a specific staffer listing 19 suggestions to be released to the public. I have my own ideas, but I don’t want to be in conflict with whatever that report would be presenting. For example, I would have said we request Davila to reverse at least two of the appointments (one must be Darian’s). Then make the two positions open with interviews with a neutral committee including Davila (what I mean by neutral? Somebody who is not FSSA nor COSC), and may the best person win. I think that’s fair, that removes the stigma of the perception-whether rightly or wrongly- of a “Team FSSA University”.
We request Davila that he set up that Office of Minority Affairs under Provost, we don’t need another weak-a** advisory committee researching and telling us what we already know. We need that office to implement what has been said is sorely needed, in that Climate Process report and Diversity Strategic report.
We request Davila to have EEO investigate Lindsay’s 33 job duties needs to be seriously investigated, nobody has 33 job duties that is the mandate of an entire department…unless they’re trying to throw you out. Write emails to Davila and say this is wrong!
I could go on, but why? Better to wait until that 19 point report come out, which should be anytime soon.
You may have your own ideas to share, by the way.
Sounds very reasonable to me… except that part about Darian’s position.
Her posiiton is, correct me please, a permement position…. and i don’t think Davilia is going to change his mind.
Sorry…
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87, G-00
Ps. Thanks for the infomation. I see where you are going with this…and i ‘ll wait for the report to come out.
Now from your point-of view…is there anything I can do to help you?
Jane you made excellent points. The main function of Gallaudet is education. If education fails here, then there is no reason to maintain a very expensive and wasteful institution like Gallaudet. It is too bad that — according to the good ole’ colony mentality — Gallaudet is considered as hunter’s paradise for high money and no serious work, a way of easy life by many.
It is vital that the educational function and all other functions be separated and handled separately. Education should be the number one priority. Everything should be subjected to scrutiny about how they support quality higher education. If they do not support it, then they should be dismantled. If federal funding starts to decline, wasteful non-educational functions should be abandoned first.
If some extreme individualistic reperesentatives of minorities are not loyal and work against the educational excellence at Gallaudet University, then we should let them know, that they might be minding their special business at the wrong place.
If Davila told me that he appointed his “special assistants” because he has only 18-24 months (less two months as of this month) for his Interim Presidency, I may understand his situation.
However, should the new permanent Gallaudet president be allowed to “appoint” his assistants? I am accustomed to “Vice Presidents” of Universities rather than “Special Assistants”. It sounds like the Gallaudet “Special Assistant” positions have the same set of responsibilities as the traditional University “Vice President”.
For example, at RIT, the President’s “Team” consists of:
http://www.rit.edu/~020www/team.html
My current school, the University of Maryland, has a similar set up as RIT:
http://www.president.umd.edu/admin/vp.cfm
I remember that current NTID Vice President, T. Alan Hurwitz went through a rigorous application process to earn his current position.
Should the new permanent president change the “Special Assistants” to “Vice Presidents” and put through the new applicants through the same process as the one T. Alan Hurwitz went through?
Shane, Special Assistants are not Vice Presidents of the university. Special Assistants at Gallaudet do not have any staff or direct reports (I think they do have secretaries, but I’m not completely sure). They are more like advisors to the president.
People like Paul Kelly (Vice President of Administration & Finance), Dr. Mike Moore (Interim Provost), Dr. Kathy Jankowski (Dean of Clear Center), and Ms. Cathy Sweet-Windham (Executive Director of Institutional Advancement) are what you probably would consider the Vice Presidents of the university.
Matt,
Thanks for clarifying that.
Matt, I’m certain that it was an innocent typo on your part, but it’s Clerc (not Clear) Center run by Dr. Kathy Jankowski.
Not sure how that happened, but thanks for the correction. :)
I once served as a special assistant and reported to the director but the organization chart didn’t place me on the same level with the deputy director and other senior administrators. I was spatially two levels below and was outranked by all others who also reported to the director.
This is a misconception others have with the standing of any “special assistant”. They are not next-in-line, and their clout vary. When my special assistantship ended, I went back to reporting to a deputy director. This was not a demotion. My indefinite appointment had ended at the director’s discretion.
When a special assistant is reassigned, it isn’t always a demotion. A special assistant is by definition committed to an express mission and that mission may have a definite timeline or it may not. Mr. Darnall was charged by Dr. Jordan with diversity initiatives. Kristi lists several failed ad hoc committees on diversity that took place during Mr. Dunn’s service and I have to think that reflects on his performance, but wish him the very best in his new position and sincerely hope he will get appropriate funding and staff support.
Raphael J. St. Johns said: Did I say that “You weren’t part of the protest, so you don’t know as much as we do. Therefore, your opinions are lesser than ours.”? No. I did not. Nor, did I imply that.
Yes, that’s exactly what you implied. This is what you said (culled from the many comments above): I am not naive. As a major donor to Gallaudet, I know the people that were involved. I also know the facts. I was there every day. (hmmm, I wonder why I’ve never heard of you.)
This is what you said to Kristi about the validity of her article and her responses. You made several comments that are without merit. Please check your facts before you make comments - it would be helpful to the community that is trying to heal itself.
You further said: “The COSC decided to drop out of the FSSA for whatever reasons. Could that be the reason why nobody on campus thinks of them as a source of information on this issue? What [Kristi] says would have more validity if COSC would have stayed and fought with the FSSA.
I think the implication is clear. You are the only one with the facts. No one else has the facts. No one else has a “case.” If anything has been made clear here at DeafDC.com, it’s that no one has a monopoly on the facts. The only thing you offer is to say that your facts are correct and Kristi’s are wrong, yet no indisputable proof was offered to support your version of the facts. And frankly, like Deaf Pundit said, I’m pretty tired of beating this dead horse too. It will probably never be possible to ascertain the true facts.
You criticized JKF’s diversity plan. That’s fine. What Kristi is saying is that there is already a bunch of diversity actions on the table. Instead of taking action on any of them, Davila appears to be starting all over again from scratch with an “advisory committee.” That’s a fact.
You presented as a fact: Davila really has no idea who was involved in the protest. He does not know many of the protesters. I do know that Davila only knew of the main issues from afar. You contradicted yourself here. Shall we say Davila knew “something” of the protest? Just like we all know “something” of the protest, and have our own impartial, unbiased sources of information.
The final disparagement of Kristi: I have shared this whole discussion with a couple of friends of mine, both hearing and deaf, not connected to the protest in any way… three of the 7 were African-Americans. Their reactions were that … the writer was crying foul over nothing. Now they look like an outside group complaining.
And yet, you claim that you really want to help you and your organization do well. I am trying to understand and listen.
Oh, really? I don’t see much understanding or listening here, only defensiveness and denial. Seems to me that Kristi and COSC, not to mention Gallaudet, would be much, much better off without your “help.”
Curious eys
two things-
“Yes, that’s exactly what you implied.”
Please don’t tell me you’re doing the “I know what you are thinking” thing again!
*sigh*. Didn’t we have a little talk about that?
Ask for clarification. Don’t make assumptions. As it seems you did. She explained herself.
If you don’t believe her, fine. But your name is not Raphael St. Johns. You don’t know what she truly thinks, and that’s that.
*This is not about FSSA or anything. This is just a personal peeve that really drives me crazy.
We all need to have more respect of the fact that we are separate individuals and that people do not have the right to decide what the thoughts in your head are. It’s disrespectful and is a barrier to sharing understanding.
Not to mention,
2)
“Seems to me that Kristi and COSC, not to mention Gallaudet, would be much, much better off without your “help.””
Ouch! Can’t you just disagree with her and move on? We all meet people who get on our nerves. That’s life.
please, WSS. I don’t claim to know what anyone is thinking. I told Raphael how his (her? I thought Raphael was a male name) words came across to me. Same as I did for the other commenters on other blogs you mentioned. People reveal their attitudes and thinking in the way they use words, just as you do, just as I do. People drive *me* crazy by pretending innocence and denying their biases. I don’t have a problem with people having their own beliefs or biases. I do have a problem with people saying that only their version of the story is the true one, then failing to back up their claims with evidence, proclaiming that everyone who doesn’t believe as they do is wrong, and then wanting to “help.” All that Raphael said here was opinion, not fact.
Raphael is welcome to clarify, as you are.
OH man..who are you?
If you check with the Gallaudet Office of Development.. You’ll find my name is known there.
I have established two scholorship funds at Gallaudet. One now and another after I passed.
If you check with the FSSA web site, you’ll see my name is there too. I have written two open letters
on the fssa web site. And i have given alot of money to the FSSA in the past.
The writer of this article(Ms. Merriwthear)did in fact not know any of the facts that led to Davilia letter being published.
I was there evryday. I do know alot of people who were involved.
And i continue to go there. I was there last week, for example, talking with several people about the what should be the next steps in this process.
In talking to alot of the staff and faculty members, it was very plain to me that the Cosc has little validity. In fact, several of the faculty members said those exact words.( mostly because they left the FSSA: for whatever reason..I’d like to understand why…I am going to researched this).
It’s funny that YOU should attck me the way you did…without checking these facts frist.
Davilia really has no idea as to who were the protesters. If you talk to him about so and so, he’ll tell you he does’nt have a clue.
If you read muy comments, I said that he only kenw of the issues from afar, meaning that he do not know the players involved, only the main issues. He was retied in New Market, Md.
Af far as youtr comments about “The final disparagement of Kristi”..I was trying to show her what other persons who have no connections to the protest were saying. You made it sound to me that critical thinking is not welcome in your mind.
And as far as your:
“Oh, really? I don’t see much understanding or listening here, only defensiveness and denial. Seems to me that Kristi and COSC, not to mention Gallaudet, would be much, much better off without your “help.” ”
I do’nt see you (hiding behind a false name) helpiing the situation by falsing attacking me without any truths.
I am wiling to be part of the solution here…are you?
Raphael J. St. Johns, C-87, G-00
Uh. CE isn’t hiding behind names. She’s Patty Albee, and was a presenter at the v/blogging conference held by Jill Bradbury at Gallaudet. She’s also written a guest blog on here, I believe.
And you keep proving our point. From m-w.com (emphasis added by me)
Main Entry: val·id
Pronunciation: ‘va-l&d
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French or Medieval Latin; Middle French valide, from Medieval Latin validus, from Latin, strong, potent, from valEre
1 : having legal efficacy or force; especially : executed with the proper legal authority and formalities
2 a : well-grounded or justifiable : being at once relevant and meaningful b : logically correct
3 : appropriate to the end in view : EFFECTIVE
4 of a taxon : conforming to accepted principles of sound biological classification
So in your eyes, anyone who left or were not involved with FSSA’s opinion is not equal as to those who were. *boggles*
whew! where are you getting these wild opinons?
What exactly is your point? I’d really like to know!
I do not mean to be disprearing anyone like Curious Eyes did to me. But I would like to point out that all I did was to present facts.
If you look at my eariler posts- I did apolozied for the hurts that were inflicted on the “other side” i.e. the people who were not in support of the protests. Have I gotten any kind words in response? NO.
Instead, I have gotten words that really are almost nasty in tone.
I am used to such words-really- having worked at places such as the White House. But what distrubs me is that people are not able(willing?) to investigate the situaiton and find out the facts before they go on to say things that are hurmful.
Raphael J. St. JOhns C-87, G-00
Raphael, that’s nice you’ve worked at the White House.
But like CE said, let’s discuss the ideas here, not individuals. You stated earlier: “What the writer says would have more validity if her organization (SoC) [sic] would have stayed and fought with the FSSA.”
Are you denying you wrote that now?
What disturbs me about that statement is that if a person is not a FSSA supporter, their experiences at Gallaudet are not as relevant as those who were FSSA supporters.
Why is that the case? What makes FSSA supporters’ opinions more important/relevant than others? The CoSC were there during the protests as well. They experienced many same things that the FSSA did. But as with all individuals, we perceive our experiences differently, and may have an unique take on it.
Kristi’s ideas did not come out of a vacuum. We base our opinions and arguments on fact. But as CE said, there is no monopoly on the truth or facts.
One person may have one piece of a fact, and another person has one piece. As an alum of Gallaudet, I’ve shared my experiences here, and so have others. With these exchange of ideas, we’ve come to a better understanding of the issues at Gallaudet.
With better understanding, comes ideas for solutions. And I’ve seen some solutions presented here, but nobody discussing them.
Maybe Kristi’s blog is errenous. I am willing to be open to that possibility. But thus far, all I am seeing is people attacking each other, not their ideas.
What, exactly, is your point?
I was making an observation that if the Cosc had stayed in the FSSA, this article, as told to me by people on the Gallaudet campus, would have been more valid. That is all I ment. And think about it- really honestly… would’nt it been better if the Cosc stayed in the FSSA? Again- I do not know why- but I am going to research this.
Raphael J. St. Johns,C-87, G-00
You seemd to be on a attcking mode here.
Raphael J. St. Johns
I’ve already stated my point. I’m sorry you do not understand.
I second CE’s sentiment - best of luck to you.
Here’s something for you to research, Raphael. Did COSC have a valid reason to separate from FSSA? Kristi has written several guest blogs at DeafDC as to the reasons why. Have you read them? What do you think?
If you and A Deaf Pundit would stop being so off the wall with your scrasm- why do’nt you please imform me as to where I can read them-so I can educated myself on this issue? As I have said many times- I am really willing to learn about this issue. Not like some people who just want to throw hurtful punches.
Raphael J. St. Johns C-87, G-00
I’m glad you asked. It shows more sincerity than anything else you’ve said so far. Hope you find this blog as enlightening as I did.
http://www.deafdc.com/blog/gue.....s-reasons/
here’s another one on the same topic of the COSC/FSSA rift by Shane Feldman.
http://www.deafdc.com/blog/sha.....-of-color/
And here’s where it all began…
http://www.deafdc.com/blog/jul...../#comments
Raphael -
I symphatize with the tone of voice you’ve encountered.
However, you do have to admit that your argument that COSC is “invalid” is pretty offensive. Just because it’s a smaller group of people doesn’t mean their concerns aren’t valid, and they should not be listened to.
Yes, I understand how the PERCEPTION could be that they are a fringe group.
However, if they WERE a fringe group (and I”m not saying they are), does that make their concerns any less valid? No. Does that negate the fact that there IS insitutional racism at Gallaudet? No. Does their separation from FSSA make them any less of stakeholders at Gallaudet? No. Does this mean that their concerns aren’t significant? No.
And thanks for keeping your mind open and learning, Raphael. It’s all good, :)
Thanks-finally I get a respectful post.
Instaed of being nasty and dis-respectful like the other bloggers-you comunicated by words of reasons. Many thnaks.
Now- to your point, I have to re-state what I said before: I never said that was my statement. I said that that was what several people (both faculty and staff) said.
If anyone has a “beef” it is with the people on campus.
“I’m glad you asked. It shows more sincerity than anything else you’ve said so far. Hope you find this blog as enlightening as I did.”
Once again a comment that was laced with scarsm.
To Curious Eyes:
Where do you get off being so dis-respectful? I don’t know if it is true or not that you were one of the presenters (Patty Albee?)at the recent Blogging conference at Gallaudet, but if you were there and one of the presenters, then you need to go back and read the critia for that confernce(i.e. being respectful towards one another) and apply it here too.
Being a little sensitive, aren’t you Mr. St. Johns?
May I ask you, Punkybrewster?:
Have you read my responses? I said what bother me was tone of the responses. Making fun of and putting down one’s work experience(and by extention-thier life) is not respectful. Critizing one person oponion without checking the fact is also disrespectful-and esp.so when laced with scarism.
State your case,disagree with it if you have too, but do it in respectful- academic way.
To wildstarryskies
(#80204) | 2007-03-08 22:05:29 -
to answer your question:
Yes- I can see where it can offensive to people. But if the whole purpose is to convince readers of your merits-why would anyone repsonsed in a way to turn off readers?
If you disagree with something so strong- then by all mean speak up! But speak up in a non-confrontaional way..speak up in a (respectful)manner that will make people open up and listen to you better. Not in some scarism, in-your-face-way.
Yes, I can sse where this is a sensitive topic.
I have to say it again, though, I was only sharing something that was told to me by people who work at Gallaudet. I never said it was my words.
Many thanks, wildstarryskies.
I cannot speak for Punkybrewster, but I have read your responses. Unfortunately, I have to side with Punkybrewster, Curious Eyes and WSS. You may not realize it, but some of your posts have come across as arrogant and dismissive of other people’s thoughts. Quite frankly, I could care less if you were a part of the protest, and your name-dropping is not impressive at all. CE provided you with a number of links that explained what CoSC’s issues were, and I have yet to hear a direct response to those links. Instead, all I am hearing is “Waaaaah, you’re being disrespectful, please check the facts! I must be right because I know all these people, and I have a boatload of money to boot!” If you want to be taken seriously, knock off with the money and connections thing. I would love to hear a response from you about your opinion that does not include one of these two things. Hate to say it, but CE is right, you’ve only offered lip service at this point, tell me (besides using money) just how you plan to help people, I’m very interested in knowing that. By the way, what is the name of the endowment you set up for your mother, I looked through Gallaudet’s list of endowments and did not see any endowments with the St. Johns name on it, so kindly point me in the right direction.
Oh, and for someone who has a graduate degree and has worked in the White House, your spelling and grammatical use leave a lot to be desired. What exactly did you do in the White House? I’m pretty sure you did not work in the correspondence department…. Oh, wait, they don’t serve coffee at the White House? And don’t even bother to call me a coward for using a fake name; I already know you will do that, so save yourself the energy.
LMAO! Now you see why I withdrew from discussing anything from St. Johns, Themis!
Er. replace from with ‘with’ :P
Raphael, respect has to be earned. I showed you respect by addressing your comments seriously and leading you to the information you said you wanted to learn. Yes, I’m sometimes sarcastic and cutting. So sue me. But pay attention here. What you called “facts” is hearsay. Someone said it to you, so it must be true. You said it to us, so it must be true. You’re an important person so you must be telling the truth. You want to help, but not if it means using your influence to bring about social justice. Surely someone who studied philosophy for more than 25 years can do better. Come on, show your stuff. Do your homework. Tell us what you think about the three blogs posted on DeafDC.com about COSC and FSSA. I’d like to hear your original thoughts about that, since you were on campus every day.
Themis, Raphael St. Johns may be socially awkward and inept, but at least he has the sincerity to post in his real name and has the strength of his own convictions.
There is no need to cast aspersions on his writing abilities or his graduate degrees. If you don’t agree with him, discuss the issues in a rational manner rather than issuing a borderline ad hominem attack. You should know better, given that you’re supposed to provide good counsel.
http://news.gufssa.com/2006/09.....community/
Raphael, purely out of academic curiosity, do you pronounce your last name “Sin Jins”? or is it the Americanized “Saint Johns”?
… and themis, knock off the criticism of someone’s spelling and English grammar. Just don’t go there, OK? A person’s English skills aren’t necessarily a reflection of their critical thinking ability. I don’t want to discourage comments from anyone because their use of English might be attacked. I’ve heard from at least one respected blogger who doesn’t post on DeafDC any more because of that.
My my my my…and you wonder why some people are turned off by Blogs?
“CE provided you with a number of links that explained what CoSC’s issues were, and I have yet to hear a direct response to those links. Instead, all I am hearing is “Waaaaah, you’re being disrespectful, please check the facts! I must be right because I know all these people, and I have a boatload of money to …”
Did I say those words? task, task, task…
For the record… The fund is The Yolanda V. Glower Memorial Scholarship Fund… please call the Gallaudet University Office of Development and talk to a Mr. Steve Taunnebaum (spell?).
It is not listed yet because it is still being funded. (its close to $20,000.00).
I have already est. another one in my name at $35,00.00 , which will be est. once I passed away.
I have moderate-to severe Cerebral Palsy, which explains why my typing so poor..even with spell check… I am not able to catch all my typos.
I am thankful to the links..and I am still reading the articles, links etc….I, however, will admit that the writer does make a case for her point so far. I have not finished reading all of the articles. (I am not afraid to admit that I do not know everything (unlike some of you), and I do set out to learn what I need to learn).
My position was Special Assistant to the Director of OPM. I worked in the office of Chief of Staff in the White House in 1989.
If you read my responses- I have asked specifically what can I do to help?
And now I am waiting for the report that Ms. Merriwheaer (Spell? please forgive me- my fingers are hurting me) said will be coming out.
In regards to:
“If you want to be taken seriously, knock off with the money and connections thing. I would love to hear a response from you about your opinion that does not include one of these two things.”
Why don’t you and the bloggers who like to attack me … start with a little bit of moderation of your language? I have admitted that I don’t have all the answers. But I am willing and able to assists anyone who wants to be a part of the solution. And I have not resorted to nasty-sarcastical words like you and the others have.
Your tone is frankly…not called for.
And one more thing: If have any more questions..please ask me. I’ll be more than happy to answer them for you.
I don’t believe you, either your parents put a bunch of money into a PAC or some kind of donation towards the president’s fund raisers or you are just plain full of it.
Because no one who would work in such a high ranking office in that position would criticize a persons right to free speech.
now, YOUR tone, quite frankly, uncalled for.
Raphael, you still have not answered our questions.
Why haven’t you answered us about why you think CoSC’s views are not valid just because they seceded from FSSA, and what you think about the 3 blogs that were provided to you?
CE:
“I showed you respect by addressing your comments seriously and leading you to the information you said you wanted to…”
You showed me respect? Without knowing me or my situation…you attacked unfairly without doing your homework….and by using sarcastically-cutting words. You say you showed me respect. Pardon me CE… that was not respect.
Again…I have apologized in the first response for the hurt that was done on the non-fssa people. I have stated over and over again: I am wiling to be part of the solution. I have asked repeatedly for someone (the writer) to give me specific ideals and solutions to try to resolve this. I just got them yesterday. I am not the big “powerful person”. I do, however has some access to people on campus.
What bothers me is that you have chosen to attack me – without knowing anything about me.
I have, for most part, only stated facts. I was only trying help get the record straight.
When I was wrong, I admitted it (see Mcconnell dialogue about the 82% issue).
I never said that it was my way or the highway. It is disturbing that people have not seen what I have been trying to say… but most of all… it is most disturbing that people have restored to personal attacks.
punkybrewster… what are you talking about? I am really confuse.
“Because no one who would work in such a high ranking office in that position would criticize a persons right to free speech.”
What are you talking about? I never said anything about free speech.
What I am saying is that you and others have restorted to nasty comments…which are uncalled for.
Even CE yesterday (and today) (by the way CE, if you are reading this: thanks for your admitting it) admitted that some of her comments were scartitcs (spell?).
“now, YOUR tone, quite frankly, uncalled for.”
Again, what are you talking about?
IFY: my parents are poor. My mother died a poor woman. She worked until her dying days at 4 jobs just to keep us a float. My family,like Davilia’S family, came here a very poor family. So, no, it was’nt becuase of some Big money donations that I got to where I am.
I’m sorry to hear about your mother…
but that doesn’t sway me from the point.. CE asked you a couple questions that you have neglected to answer. and all you have been doing the entire time is evade them with defensive “my feelings are so hurt” sniviling.
LIke I said, I don’t believe you worked in the white house, at least not in the position you said you did. Probably as a DE clerk or something OR the guy who mops up the bathrooms. I refuse to believe someone as simple as you are would actually be considered for a WHITE HOUSE employment.
Raphael,
What we can do right now is to jump on the bandwagon on CE’s postcard/group letter idea, sign your name under there.
I’m still waiting for that official 19 points report. I hope it’s not being held up by silly office politics and the whatnots. I have no problem releasing the rough draft if this waiting drags on too long.
By the way, my last name is Merriweather.
Gotta go now
punkybrewster… Pls read my comments (form a previous link) again:
I am thankful to the links..and I am still reading the articles, links etc….I, however, will admit that the writer does make a case for her point so far. I have not finished reading all of the articles. (I am not afraid to admit that I do not know everything (unlike some of you), and I do set out to learn what I need to learn
punkybrewster, please don’t distract him. let it drop. put a lid on it. OK? You’re prolonging the agony for the rest of us.
How about saying a few words here about the relative merits of the diversity plan? Do you think Darian Burwell is qualified to be the special assistant for Diversity Relations? Kristi included a link to her bio which I think demonstrates her case.
Hi Kristi: I’m ready to start moving on the postcard idea. I’m reasonably artistic and creative, but not a person of color. (Pun not intended!) Should one be the designer of the card, or does it matter? I’m not thinking of anything fancy, just something eye-catching, and would like some ideas as to what to pre-print on the cards in terms of issues. Also some input from bloggers, commenters, and lurkers if an email postcard or a paper postcard with stamps would be best, or both?
I apolized Ms.Merriweather. My fingers are hurting me today.
To punkybrewster:
‘and all you have been doing the entire time is evade them with defensive “my feelings are so hurt” sniviling.
Where are you getting all this? I am laughting so hard now….
oh my…. back to business…if you read any of my recent posting… I said that the writer does seemed to have a point.
And you what? I don’t care what you think about my employment history.. I have the pins, the pictures, the letter of recimmdation signed to me by President’s Bush and Cliton.
Really it is time to stop these attacks.. do’nt you think so?
Ms. Merriweather:
I’d considered (very seroiusely) signing on with you if the document is an acceptable document to me. Like most things, I need to see it first. I am not in a hurry- so please let me whenever you have it ready.
to Mavors
Thanks for your words. I type my name two ways: Saint-Johns, and St. Johns.
And I want to apolized to all whio saw my many typos ( and yes spelling errors also). My fingers are hurting me today- so I know I am making alot of typos errors, etc.
to Mavors
I used both pronunciations’.
Thanks.
Raphael, no worries about your typos. I’m just happy that you let us know that you are reading the links that CE and JT gave you and for what you said to Kristi just now.
I hope we can move forward from this and have better debates from now on. I think it’s safe to say that we’re all tired now. *smirks*
Raphael, I don’t know you, and you don’t know me. That’s the way I’d prefer to keep it, really. Let’s make this about the ideas you present here, and not the person.
I’m happy for you that you’ve chosen to make Gallaudet the beneficiary of your largesse. I do believe you when you say you were there every day, have your finger on the pulse of the campus, and are in a position to know “something” about the protest, including Interim President Davila’s knowledge and plans.
I’m saying that you’re not the only one who knows “something” about the protest, etc. In the absence of any demonstrated facts, your version of the truth has as much validity as anyone else’s, including my own. I don’t claim to know more than anyone else what’s true or not true. DeafDC is unique for being one of the very few environments where readers can present ideas and beliefs without disparaging anyone else’s.
I do have the ability to analyze a person’s arguments and point out its weaknesses. This is called critical thinking. If you took offense or felt hurt by what I said, please be assured it isn’t personal and in no way negates the kindness and good will you may feel towards all humankind.
I’m challenging what you say and putting your comments to a test of critical analysis. For example, I note that you use repetition to persuade DeafDC readers that your view is the correct one. Pardon me for being a skeptic. I’m not persuaded by words, only by logic and evidence. For another, you’ve repeatedly stated that COSC is being criticized for breaking with FSSA. Let me take a wild guess here — I think they are already aware. And if Davila really has no clue about who the protestors are, then I fear for the direction of Gallaudet.
Finally, you offer assistance, but again, it’s only lip service. An example: Kristi proposed selecting a presidential assistant who is experienced in diversity issues. You replied: “No, Davila isn’t going to change his mind about that. Sorry. Anything else I can help you with?”
Apparently, you are an important person and in a position to make positive changes happen at Gallaudet. I hope you will take Kristi’s blog, comments, and recommendations seriously and use your influence to improve outcomes for students of color at Gallaudet.
I am used to verbal attacks-so this is nothing new.
What bothers me is your tone towards me…and the (apparently-I do not know if you did check) fact that you did not bother to checked anything I was saying before you attacked me. If you had, you would have found out that I am (was and will always be) a donor of our “home”.
If you had done your critical thinking as you claimed, you would have be able to see that I was not saying that I was the ONLY person on campus. But that I was there everyday and I do know a lot of what was happening…something that a lot of persons do not have the benefit of knowing.
If you had done some research, you would have found out that one of my majors at Gallaudet was Philosophy. I know all about critical thinking and Inductive and Deductive and Symbolic Logic and Critical Reason.
You think I am paying lip service? I have bad news for you: I have put my time and money where my “lip service” is.
Taking time off (repeatedly) from my job at my own expenses is not “lip service”.
Going to see a few of the professors last week- some of them really did not want to see me because they have gotten to know me as having a “zeal” for the cause of re-uniting Gallaudet is not “lip service”.
I was only reporting the facts as told to me by numerous professors and staff that the Cosc has no validity anyone. As I have stated, I really do not know why-but I’ll research this issue.
As far as your comment:
Finally, you offer assistance, but again, it’s only lip service. An example: Kristi proposed selecting a presidential assistant who is experienced in diversity issues. You replied: “No, Davila isn’t going to change his mind about that. Sorry. Anything else I can help you with?”
My comment was based on my knowledge of the situation. President Davila will not change his mind on this. And there is nothing anyone can do. It is his prerogative. Your equating Davila’s decisions to my “lipservice” are wrong.
As I have stated many times in this Blog- from the beginning- I want to be able assist anyone in this situation. I want for us to succeed.
You made this personal when you decided to use the tone you did.
I am not going to down that path, however.
I will continue to research the issues, and be available to assist anyone who wants to be an agent for change for a better Gallaudet University.
Raphael J. St. Johns, C-87, G-00
How reassuring to know that the future of Gallaudet is in the capable hands of someone with your qualifications. Best of luck to you.
See- you being sarcastic doesn’t help.
But like I said before: I will be helping Gallaudet as much as I can.
Raphael J. St. Johns, C-87, G-00
You’re right, Raphael. The sarcasm wasn’t helpful.
OK, let me take another tack. One thing that Kristi, and other guest bloggers on DeafDC.com, does very well is present evidence supporting her positions. This blog has links to several sources, such as the Diversity Strategic Plan. If you click on them, you can read them in their original entirety.
Speaking of the Diversity Plan, it’s interesting seeing the names on the front page with the advantage of hindsight. Here are a few of them: Isaac Agboola,
Tawny Holmes, Mike Kemp,
Stephen Weiner. I wonder how these esteemed individuals would feel about knowing the plan they worked hard on is viewed as vague or ineffective, and seems destined to collect dust on a shelf by the current administration.
Raphael,
It was BOT’s prerogative to select Dr. Fernandes. Look what happened. I’m not saying we need to do a protest, I’m saying anything is possible. I think the louder and the more people people speak against this, Davila will start to have second thoughts. Who says we cannot change his mind after mass emailings and letters to the President’s office? I’ve emailed him, but I’m only one person and I think that’s why he never responded back.
After reading the three links JT and Curious Eyes provided, do you now understand why COSC seceded from FSSA?
a’My comment was based on my knowledge of the situation. President Davila will not change his mind on this. And there is nothing anyone can do. It is his prerogative. Your equating Davila’s decisions to my “lipservice” are wrong.”
Never say never, Raphael. That’s the first rule of logic. Never deal in absolutes.
Avoid the use of words like “never”, “nobody”, “everybody”. There is ALWAYS an exception to the rule. It makes your arguement look weak if you use those words.
Just keep that in mind.
I have to say: in all due respect … I have neevr heard of your statement about “Never say never, Raphael. That’s the first rule of logic. Never deal in absolutes.” I have been studing logic for over 25 years… I have never heard of that statement. Where did you learn that?
As far as your other comments: so if I say “1 and 1 is 2″ then according to your reason, you can say no, becuase there is absuolute?
Why do’t you address the nasty tone display by the other commentaers instead?
Oh- again- I forgot to get my coffee before i start- I ment to thank you,
wildstarryskies, for your comment.
I apologied for that- I really ment to thank you.
And I ment:
As far as your other comments: so if I say “1 and 1 is 2″ then according to your reason, you can say no, becuase there is NO absuolute?
so sorry for my typos here… I am awake yet!
Smile. 1 + 1 = 2 is math.
People aren’t mathematical equations.
You can’t predict their behavior like that. You can only make assumptions about a majority of people. There are always derivations from the norm (yes, statistics prove this). I have a BA in Psychology, so I studied this.
Besides it’s my experience that if you say, “nobody..” there will be someone who says, “I do..” or “my friend does..”.
Then your arguement looks weak.
Just saying. It’s not a good idea. Trust me. You can believe me or not. It’s up to ya. :)
Am I to understand that you, Kristi, are actually pushing for the removal of an admirable black deaf woman, Ms. Burwell, from her new position?
Can’t we address systematic racism without forcing deaf minorities to lose their jobs?
I’m disappointed to say the least.
Kristi can correct me if I’m wrong here, but I think she has an issue with Ms. Burwell’s qualifications.
To me at least, it does smack of tokenism, and I’m not a racial minority.
Shocked- diversity issues on Gallaudet is too important to put a novice up there. I don’t play tokenism, I play fairness. Say no to Team FSSA University, Shocked. Because that’s the only reason I can think of why she’s up there, she’s FSSA-recommended. Lytle and Innes still have their old jobs to fall back. If she really wants that diversity position… she’ll work hard to earn it back. Can you name one project she did in relation to diversity? One small article? One presentation? Anything? If not… “next!”
But Darian did provide several workshops related to diversity — she knew her stuff. She did among few other things as well.
Name ONE thing that Lindsay Dunn did as SA to President on Diversity. KP Perkins did so much on diversity and racism at Gallaudet. In fact, I learned so much more from Evon Black herself! (God knows I love this woman but I digress.) But what did Lindsay Dunn do? It is open secret that folks at Gallaudet thought Dunn did do nothing but to whine from day one.
I’d love to make six figure salary on doing nothing but to whine. ;-)
Cheers,
R-
R-
This comment is meant for “Themis” above (#80067):
Answer some questions for me, will you? What’s the point behind terminology such as “tiresome and asinine?” I’d really like to know. Were our positions reversed, and I disagreed with one of *your* comments, I’d probably only bother to say something if I wanted to better understand your viewpoint through debate. At the very least that strategy would save me the energy it would otherwise take to deal with you… unless you’re truly worth the effort.
Thus what I TOTALLY do not get, and would like you personally to explain, is why you’d jump me like that… if my comments (and through extension me) are really that irritating. Was the emotional release worth the typing that it took to tell me so? Have you somehow improved the quality of your future blogging experiences with DeafDC now that you’ve told me off? Or are you more or less now back where you started, having paid a penny to get a penny?
Let me know, okay? Call it scientific curiosity on my part. I’m equally perplexed by people who try to get others to stop airing their grievances by telling them–and I quote–to “stop moaning, crying, whining, and bitching.” Can anyone who has used such terminology please tell me how this *isn’t* provocative? Isn’t that a bit like fighting a forest fire with a can of gas?
Why is such an act worthy of your time?
boy I’d sure LOVE to meet the person who actually made Chris a Blogger on Dcdeaf, then point and laugh.
edited.
Well, to help you narrow down your search… it probably WASN’T the person who said DeafDC had now “jumped the shark” once it was announced that I’d be writing for them…
…so that’s one down!
Good hunting! (-;
It’s cool that you draw a lot of the far left deaf-o’s on this blog, but I’m happy to know that I’m not the only one who thinks yer full of it.
But trying to justify why you think it’s wrong for people like me to hide behind anonymous names is pretty low considering the ruthlessness of the Deaf community and the world abroad. In a perfect world Chris Huer would have his head surgically removed from his (expletive deleted) and tabloid life wouldnt’ exist.
Hi Punkybrewster:
Ask me WHY I want people to use their real names. If you ask I’ll know you’re interested and make the effort. If you don’t ask, I’ll leave you alone. Fair enough?
Far left deaf-os? No need for name-calling, missy dear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpraJYnbVtE
Don’t I look great in my leather jacket?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpraJYnbVtE
oops, the link wasn’t working.
Kristi,
Would the CSOC be more effective if they attacked the issue rather than the person?
This may have been one of the mistakes that the FSSA made during the Gallaudet protests when they made Dr. Jane Fernandes the scapegoat for Gallaudet’s problems.
That was my concern also…. Perhaps if the CSOC has’nt made issue of the Dunn-Burwell situation, then we can all focus on the main issue of diversity. Like Shane said.
Raphael J. st. Johns C-87, G-00
Hi Shane:
IMHO, though you didn’t ask me directly, once a person is “attacking” ANYTHING, either another person OR the issue, then it’s no longer about discussion, and it’s no longer about debate. It’s about the release of anger. Which would be fine if attacking actually worked, but it doesn’t work. It just SEEMS to. Evidence: people who show up on these blogs attaking people and issues over and over and over. You’d think that if anger was actually released in this kind of behavior, then the more attacks made, the less fuel there there would be for yet more attacks.
So doesn’t that in turn imply that when you’re in the process of attacking, your anger isn’t GOING anywhere? And if that was your (in the general sense, not you personally, Shane) whole point in the first place, doesn’t it make more sense to come up with something that gets rid of it more efficiently? And more permanently? Sort of like pumping water out of your basement. It seems like you got rid of the water, but you didn’t fix the leak, or the hole in the wall. So the next time it rains…
Your second paragraph accurately describes my point. The hole is still in the wall. The dirty water has been cleared out and now water is pouring in again.
You can’t fix the hole by attacking it with a sledgehammer.
Shane,
I do want to concede, though, that the dirty water does indeed have to be pumped out first. And some walls are in such bad shape, they need a wrecking ball.
(Yes, I’m hopelessly addicted to metaphors)
Ain’t nobody angry here but you….
The fact that you’d bravely go into battle with people on an official blog and risk making yourself look like a moron and at the same time risk DeafDC’s credibility for remaining neutral and non-combative toward idea’s of other’s anonymous or not makes me think you do not qualify as a blogger here.
Think you might want to consider the fact that there’s gonna be some people who will try drawing you out, because you make it so easy. =)
(directed at Chris Heuer)
I LIKE being drawn out. It’s usually fun! But sometimes the other person isn’t interested in really getting into it, as apparently you aren’t since you haven’t yet done what I’ve asked you to do above. So okay, I’ll leave you alone. No harm done.
It’s your funeral not mine. =) and I already explained to you why I’m not willing to play your silly little games. =)
if you cant’ accept that.. I’ll leave you alone, no harm done.
maybe i should go play metaphor games with someone too… might make me look smarter than a beetle.
Paranoia is overrated.
:)
Hi Mike:
It’s going to have to be (paranoia) if the vlogsphere is ever going to develop to the point where vloggers are replying to other vloggers posts on a consistent basis instead of commenting in English, as most do now. Unless people start wearing masks, the whole planet is also going to know what a *vlogger* thinks, including present and future employers. It seems a bit unfair that it should be so much easier to post anonymously in English than it ever will be in ASL.
At the very least it’ll be interesting to see how the vlogging community counters the problem as more and more people start creating vlogs. Will they even consider the whole thing an issue? We’ll see…
Shane,
“Attack the person?”
Who is “the person” you are referring to? Lytle and Innes? Lange? Darian? The person is the issue. I am not sure how you would separate the two. If all I spoke was of the issue of unfairness and racism, people would be asking me for proof. Eventually names will have to come up.Do-do?
This is in response to Mr. Heuer.
If you want to post things in a public forum, then you need to develop thicker skin. A lot worse can be said besides ‘asinine’ and ‘tiresome’. Since YOU chose to publicly reveal YOURSELF, YOU set yourself up for a wide variety of comments, some of which might be pleasant, and some might not be so pleasant. This is no different from writing an op-ed piece, giving a television interview, or standing up in front of an audience and making a speech. Part of engaging in debate includes attacking the other side’s points; your issue seems to be with HOW people attack these points. Once you reveal your opinions, YOU set yourself up to be attacked, regardless of the forum you decide to use. Unfortunately, to write a comment such as the above one makes you sound like someone who cannot take criticism, and hides behind this claim of trying to engage in constructive dialogue.
Therein lies my “beef” with you (and with a number of other people in the blogosphere): you feel that because you have chosen to reveal yourself, you have now developed some sort of credibility in the world and are exempt from any repercussions. As far as I’m concerned, you have done nothing more than participate in a protest, write a few blogs (some of which are rather inflammatory), made snarky comments to people who have raised dissenting opinions, and tried to use theories to discredit other people stances. I might add that you might want to look at yourself first before you apply these theories to anyone else. If you want to earn my respect, then I’d like to see you actually go out and DO something productive. Stop writing the same things over and over and DO something. A half-assed signature campaign does not consist of doing something in my book. Just because everyone knows your opinion does not mean you have earned a single ounce of credibility in this world. I know who David Duke is and what he stands for, does this mean I think he has credibility? Just to avoid any misunderstanding, the answer is no.
Mr. Heuer, if you want to sit there and let the world know about your family life, your incredible driving prowess, and your opinions on issues, be my guest. Just remember that everyone, including current and potential employers, is digesting every single opinion and story that you share in a public forum. Don’t complain if your mid-year review is less than favorable or if you are not granted a job interview. At least everyone knows what your opinion is and if that makes you sleep better at night, more power to you. Be happy that you live in a country where you can share dissenting opinions without worrying about whether or not you will be taken out back and shot.
Lastly, I do not know if your mis-spelling of ‘assinine’ was deliberate or not, but since you are an English teacher, I’ll say that you knew exactly what you were typing. Was it worth the emotional release for you to include that little ‘mistake’?
It was a typo.
Themis, this is what I mean, and I thank you for replying. I don’t ask the questions I’ve asked above because I felt insulted. You’re right, you do need thick skin to do this… anonymously or not. I asked because I honestly don’t get it.
Especially if we work in THIS field. The second we sit down for a department meeting or serve on a committee, EVERYONE is going to know what we think. We’re too small for it to ever be otherwise. So it’s alll the same thing. I’ve known a lot of people in a lot of work environments who hate each other’s guts. For WHAT, I don’t know–the original reasons were lost to obscurity long ago. But for that matter, I don’t really much care. We’re not all going to agree on everything all of the time, not even if we’re close friends and honestly respect each other. And what’s inflamatory to one person might be another person’s most heartfelt truth. Take homosexuality or Women’s Lib or the Civil Rights Movement. Go back to the 1920s, and the suggestion that any of these things were topics worthy of discussion would have seen you branded in the eyes of many as an instigator. Yet today we’re not where we were back then. Everything rosy? No. Are things a little better? Yes.
My personal issue with anonymous posts, and I’m going to tie this into what Punkybrewster and Kristi both have been saying… is this: it’s NOT a case of any given commenter ’setting himself up’ for attacks. It’s simply a case of people choosing to attack him. I have no control over what you do and neither does anyone else. How could it be otherwise? If Kristi says what she says, then that’s what she thinks. Same with Shane, same with Carl Schroeder, same with me. If Kristi now has to worry about her current boss and every future boss she’ll ever have (as you’ve implied that I now have to), then how in fact are we living in a country where people aren’t “taken out back and shot?” We’ve moved up a few levels, I guess… from shooting them to simply firing or not hiring them. Beyond that, the mentality is the same. Retaliation. And if that’s what somone is about, then he’s most certainly NOT about discussion.
So again, I don’t get it. What’s the big threat? You want me to DO something… great! I’m set. Join me! Or join SOMEONE! There’s talk of organizing all over, from the OEAA to revamping the NAD. Oh, but wait, you can’t. People don’t know who you are. And as soon as you make even one opinion of yours known, they’re GOING TO. So you’re back to square one. How is trust going to develop? And if you never intended for it to, then why ask ANYONE to do ANYTHING? As if somebody could just change his ideals enough to both appeal to you and others… and get some sweeping mass movement going again… THEN you’d join? Well why should he make his ideals known if he’s just setting himself up?
You’re creating your own resement. You’re creating the very conditions that cause your frustration. In a very real sense anonymous posts are an immediate and clear reaction to intimidation. Whether the intimidator is an extreme left or right wing “Deaf-O,” or else an current or future administrator/supervisor/boss with no tolerance for diverse viewpoints… an anonymous blogsphere is what makes it possible for these people to keep on intimidating others. They know that their tactics work. And you’re so eager to prove them right, you’ll beat the living hell out of everyone trying to prove them wrong.
Hi Chris. Can we distinguish between collective or community action and debating issues on a blog? For consumer activism, such as telecommunications access or advocating for early ASL exposure for deaf babies, I absolutely don’t have a problem putting my name out there in public. But as I wrote once before, for discussing issues in a public forum, I really like the freedom of keeping my public persona and my opinions separate. In my own case, my workplace puts me smack in the midst of a hotbed of protest supporters. They’ve been very public in their support, and I don’t do or say anything that detracts from or diminishes their stance. I respect them as the intelligent, knowledgeable, caring professionals that they are. We are in agreement as to our core values, which are the centrality of ASL and the importance of the Deaf community in the development of a positive Deaf identity (”Deafhood”). I happen to feel that those values are not mutually exclusive of all the other options that are available to deaf/hh individuals today, but I know some of my peers disagree with me about that. I’ve avoided exchanging views about the protest, JKF, etc., with them in person and in public. Why? Because I want to keep my work role and my personal opinions completely separated. Like the disclaimers on TV programs say: the views expressed here are not necessarily those of the management. The reason I keep a low profile is because the protest has aroused potent, turbulent emotions in everyone involved. I don’t want all that emotion to affect my ability to do my job. Hypothetically, some of my colleagues could elect to “shun” me or not cooperate with me in the performance of my job. (I really don’t think that they will, but just suppose.) In your eyes, is that wrong? I also distinguish between flaming and critiquing ideas.
Your thoughts?
Of COURSE that’s wrong! That’s my whole point! Look, I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again… if we ALREADY had a sytem that worked, I’d shut up. I’d write about other stuff and leave politics alone. But we don’t have a system that comes anywhere even remotely close to working. Not with literacy rates at these levels. Not with audism and racism and every other kind of “ism” at these levels. We’re never going to reach a point where we can entirely stamp something out (though I don’t mind trying). But we can progress.
Now how do we do that if this kind of thing keeps happening? I see intimidation and shame working side by side almost as an automatic response. But a response to WHAT? What was my big master plan for forcing anyone to reveal his name? I don’t have that power, and I never did have that power, so what’s the threat or the insult that justifies warning someone his current and future employment prospects may be in danger? That makes sense… how? Isn’t it ALREADY illegal to discriminate? Isn’t Free Speech ALREADY an American value?
And shame… as soon as someone takes this up, really pushes the point, it’s flaming. We should “get back to the real issues.” This IS the real issue. Or it’s one of them, anyway. Why are so many people pushed around in our community? Suppose someone is demoted three levels and someone else is demoted one. Okay. The three-level guy… is he MORE alone or LESS alone because of anonymous posts? What if it were you? And shoot, how about APATHY? We’ve all acknowledged that it’s a huge factor in this community. Where do you think it comes from?
I ask these questions because we usually just label this “Crab Theory” and then dismiss it, or now we label it “flaming” and then dismiss it. I want to UNDERSTAND it. I feel like a damned movie screen for everyone else’s projections. Did I ever call you cowards? No. I understand very well the fear of losing your job or being shunned by your so-called “colleagues.” But do you still contribute to the conditions that make those things happen? Who knows? I think you do. I might be wrong. Who wants to actually DEBATE me? So far, CE, you and Shane are the only two.
I choose to respond to this kind of thing by not giving into it. If there’s consequences for that, so be it. There’s consequences for what EVERYBODY does. We’re living with them now. What do you think of them so far?
CE, I’ll get to your point about community activism later, okay?
we’ve heard you play the same damn skit over and over again, so far it’s all been nothing but hot air from you. You still evade the issues that CE and Themis tried to present to you.
We know yer missing a few french fries in yer happy meal, so don’t try to convince us otherwise with glamorous English and melodramatic metaphors.
Chris,
I am very much in agreement with C.E. in regards to personal opinions and work role.
Your comment #79125 in http://www.democratandchronicl.....ry=ROCDOCS had stuck in my head.
If I was in your shoes, then I would be more careful with what kind of discussion I want to participate. I believe you already know that — just want to remind you. I wish you success in exploring your career options as I am sure you will do a fine job.
Sincerely,
WAD
Darn the incorrect link. Let me come back with the right link. Edit doesn’t work this time.
Uhm… what comment? I found the website but can’t find the comments.
Just to let you know, there’s more than one Chris Heuer out there. Google that name and you’ll see… he’s some guy involved in software, I think. He too posts lots of comments under his real name. I only mention this because I’ve never seen this particular website before…
WAD is right, I can’t imagine what the parents of his students are thinking after they read this stuff.
“This man is teaching my children this drivel?!”
http://www.deafdc.com/blog/gue.....f-schools/
p.s. Now you know I am from Rochester. :)
Okay… not following. Is there a particular comment in there..?
No problem! Copying and pasting here…
“Chris Heuer
(#79125) | 2007-02-19 22:58:04
Hi Katherine:
I’m thinking about it, yeah. Thanks for the vote of confidence!”
Just wanted to pipe in here: There has been precedent for people having trouble at their job for their blogs or political views.
I agree with you Chris, that it should not be happening. But until that changes - which won’t happen overnight - I totally understand people’s desire to remain anonymous.
Oh! About maybe becoming an administrator someday? Well, let’s put it this way… we are who we are. And sooner or later, who we are is going to be made clear… if not in a blog or a comment then in a meeting or in a protest or through what side we do or don’t take. You’re never going to be able to escape that, so why even try? The “community” is so polarized, if you take a stand on anything at all, from racism to literacy, youre going to be ostracized by someone. And if people keep responding to that, then the types of employees (at any level) that we’re going to end up with are people who to take no stand on ANYTHING.
So again… apathy comes from where?
(The above was meant for WAD)
you dont’ get it Chris, this is a PUBLIC record… this is going to follow you for the rest of your life.
6 years into the future:
Hey bob what do you think of that guy, Chris Heuer, he’s a smart guy.. very kind.. great with kids.
“dude.. he’s a nutcase, read this.. it’s old but hey… read this.”
“damn, now i gotta find someone else to consider for the superintendent position. tsk tsk he sure looked good on paper.”
Aw. I’m hurt, Chris. Don’t want to debate with me? ;) *grins impishly*
you should say “I’ll leave you alone.. no harm done.”
Hi DP:
We can’t have you feeling hurt, can we? (-:
Okay, look at this link:
http://chronicle.com/temp/emai.....psDGzNH68x
It, too, is a public record. It too, will follow its author around for life. It too, is a definitive stance, as was the original article that prompted the reply.
It used to be the case that what we now call “flaming” stayed within certain periodicals. That changed once media became national, and then international, and now instantaneously global. Will the Chronical of Higher Education allow anonymous responses? I’m not sure, but I don’t think so. Hence you see nothing there like what you’re seeing here. Had that author’s comment been posted here, you’d almost certainly see the same kind of hostility.
My point is that the hostility remains, whether you write your opinions using your real name or a fake one. If it seems to hit lesser levels in one publication over another, that’s probably because of editing and screening of the comments.
well dumba$$, I’m proud of you! fight the good fight! I wish I was brave enough to post my real name and be a jerk at the same time.
maybe then my boss won’t call me up stairs to let loose in teh wild and hunt me for sport.
you go Chris.
It’s not about bravery. It’s about getting somewhere. If six years down the line everything is still the same, what is the point of any of this? Any of these blogs?
Hi Chris:
*laughs*
I agree with what you’re saying regarding hostility. But I think what makes blogs great, especially this site, is that it’s pretty much unmoderated. We moderate each other here, and we judge each other, for the most part anyway, on each other’s ideas, not on who we are.
That is not always the reality elsewhere and especially at your job. I’m sure we all can share stories of asshat bosses and co-workers who upon finding out that you thought a certain way about something, gave you a hard time about it.
I’m gonna use an analogy here: Coming out at work. Now that’s a very controversial thing. People have been fired solely based on their sexual orientation.
Some come out, fully aware that the possibility of them being fired is there. Some don’t, because of that possibility. Does that mean the rest of us should do the same? Of course not. It’s up to us, individually. I don’t view it as shameful. We all have our reasons for being anonymous or not being anonymous.
Hi DP:
That’s right. It’s up to all of you individually. Nobody has any power to make you do or not do a thing. At best they can make you aware of possible consequences of doing a certain thing. And you have to decide which consequences (or mixture of consequences) you can live with. I concede, yes, you speak your mind, and certain others out there will give you a hard time about it (yes, PB, I DO get it). If you concede that the widespread use of anonymous responses is part of what makes that kind of intimidation possible, then I really can’t see anything more that we could debate.
If PB and I are the extremes, and CE is the middle (using his/her real name on some issues but not on others), then wherever people decide to settle on that continuum, that’s where they’ll settle. The “shame” that I was talking about is the shame leveled against people to try to make them stop talking about things.
And I agree with you, I like DeafDC unmoderated. But I don’t think we’re always judged on our ideas. We’re judged on our attackers’ perceptions of our ideas.
Chris:
I totally agree that widespread use of anonymous responses contributes to the success of intimidation.
So I guess we agree on something here! :P *grins*
And I dunno about being judged on our attackers’ perception of our ideas. It depends on how they’re attacking our ideas. Sometimes the method of the attacker speaks volumes about the person himself than the person they’re attacking. And how we convey our ideas does have an impact on how people view us.
I know this because of my comments here on DeafDC.com, it has led me to make friends that I otherwise would have never met… I now chat with them regularly via e-mail or AIM. :)
Hi DP:
Agreed. That’s closer to how I meant to convey it. My bad.
Does anyone see what’s going on here? While Chris and DP are discussing the issue of how anonymous commenters may be trying to intimidate others, Punky (an anonymous commenter) is attacking Chris.
LOL.
This should be some kind of SNL skit.
I do see the irony!
A lot of things here should be a SNL skit. ;) Maybe I should produce the intro video… ‘Cast of Characters: blah blah blah’ ;)
I also just wanted to say that I think it’s very unfortunate that this has basically degenerated into a flame war. I understand Kristi’s blog is very controversial, but to basically question long standing commenters and bloggers’ credibility just because they disagree with you does not contribute anything worthwhile to this.
CE wrote an excellent post: #80097 in this thread, and I find it interesting that those who claim to want to help.. have not responded to that.
C’mon people! Enough with the flame wars.
thank you, Deaf Pundit, but the credit for those ideas in post #80097 goes to Kristi. I agree with you that it’s interesting we’d rather argue about the protest than do what she suggested, such as email Dr. Davila and his administration about our concerns. Is there anything else we individuals, as concerned deaf citizens and members of the Gallaudet community can do, Kristi?
It’s unfortunate that this blog has been hijacked and turned into a little tiff.
I guess that should be evidence enough to say that the original topic of this whole blog is as inconsequential as Chris Heuer’s thoughts. Having a protest based upon social injustice for deaf people of color. To me it’s all just a cry for attention, who’s really hurting here? the community.. oh boy the damage is already done for that one, why stop there? we can’t let people of color be left behind, they have a right to protest too! great.. it’s going to go from being bad tippers, to constant feelings of unjust and debt to oneself and to constant protesters, NOW it’s about race. (sigh) the more these racial injustice cries happen it’ll never stop…. I’m sorry I dont’ see the color problem i see the indvidual problem.
guy i used to work with said “i ain’t never gonna be a nascar driver cuz i’m black.” “why do you say that?” “white man drive them cars! he ain’t gonna let me!” “is that so? have you tried? have you even looked into the opportunity or possibility?” “no, but i’m black, it’s impossible.” “with that attitude yer damn right, not one sponsor out there is going to want to deal with a negative crybaby that resorts to blaming them for racial injustice and protest them for it….”
that’s why this silly topic is getting hijacked.
punkybrewster, in the past I’ve agreed with some things you said, but here I do not. I don’t think this topic is silly, nor is it being hijacked. I still appreciate the nuggets of insights you’re able to offer, though. Am I to understand you feel that a protest by deaf students of color about the high attrition and low retention rate at Gallaudet, the motives for Lindsay Dunn’s demotion, selection of an inexperienced but black person to be a diversity specialist, etc., is “inconsequential”? Their concerns are not real and do not exist? That there is no “color problem” at Gallaudet? That the more COSC complains about racial injustice at Gallaudet, the less likely it is that anyone will do anything about it? I thought the 6 points that Kristi presented were good and deserving of our consideration. Yes, we’ve just had a very serious and devastating protest, and you know what? Looks like it’s not over yet. Gallaudet is on the brink, seemingly. Issues and evidence of racism are important to discuss because the very same mechanisms that drive it also drive audism, sexism, homophobia, and other forms of intolerance.
If I’ve accurately captured what you believe, would you mind telling me why you think that way?
I’m just saying that the “Racism card” is overplayed…… then end.
Yes, I am very clear on where you are thinking about racism, Punkybrewser. And what somebody said to Chris about cutting his head off, I just wanted to say that was an unclassy comment. A disagreement about fake and real names would get people that riled up to talk about decapitation?
Some people also see that the “audism card” is over-played, too. Depends on how one looks at it.
you want to talk about unclassy?
Racism in america is a card that’s been far too overplayed. the time for such a thing is over….. get it in your head. sure, for a brief time unity and ideology works well but in the end people start screwing each other. it’s all about where you stand in your life and the direction you want it to go…. not a group of people.
a black guy goes into the store.. stand behind a white guy and notices that they both are trying to buy a bag of Lay’s potato chips, turns out the white guy paid less…. “OMG RACISM!!!!” “but sir he had a coupon…” “OMG I DON’T HAVE A COUPON!!! RACISM!!1 SOCIAL INJUSTICE!!! CALL JOHNNY CONCRANE!”
whatever, it’s getting old….
Kristi, you come on deafDC and expect to be heard, some disagreed with you and some agreed with you. yet you spit on the ones that don’t agree with you and expect us to actually respect you. employers and people do not want to deal with people who rock the boat and create more unnecessary stress.. black white purple orange yellow green…. it’s all the same.
quite frankly, I don’t think you have a CLUE to what racism is all about. Just because you are of a different color does not entitle you to respect and favors. no one OWES you a GD thing.. the only thing you deserve is making a life for yourself, however beautifully you make it.
punkybrewster: OK. Just out of academic curiosity, what, if anything, do you feel should be done to address diversity issues at Gallaudet? Are you saying everything is fine and nothing needs to be done? That Davila and his team will do what is necessary to keep Gallaudet on an even keel without input from the community? Just curious.
I think Davila and his team should choose the best and most qualified people for the positions.
The problem is not lack of diversity, it’s the lack of people who actually want to work to change the status quo.
There is, in fact, the danger in trying to satisfy the status quo or keep to the political correctness. However, it is not the same thing when diversity is not discussed on equal terms as to the rest of the issues on the front burner. There’s nothing PC about that. Just that ignorance is usually the case.
Racism is overplayed? Seriously…give me a break! It is NOT overplayed. It is a serious problem that still exists in America. To pooh-pooh the existence of racism is to disparage the real experiences that many people have from it.
no it’s not… it’s all in your head… jeez. it only survives as long as you keep it alive!
sure back in the 50’s it was pretty bad, but i’d say we as a country have made some fantastic progress. I know that there some interesting arguments that people have made about how most minorities are poor and most whites are rich. well gee whiz, those minorities who are not poor and have very successful lives worked for it and didn’t let this “Racial” excuse get in the way.
You want racism? travel the world.. go to Japan.. you’ll see racism, until then you can just sit back and try not to spit in the wind.
WTF are you smoking? Whatever it is, it’s got to be why you’ve got your head up your ass on this one.
heh, okay pot, i’ll be the kettle, if you think we got racism problems, i’m serious take a trip to Japan. You’ll be treated well in tourists area’s but once you get into the land of the Rising sun, baby, you make a reservation a week ago, the poorest japanese family gets bumped ahead of you.
sit there and try to convince me that America has the worse case of the sickness “Racsism.”
I don’t think anyone’s claiming that America has the worst case of racism. There’s always someone out there who has it worse than us.
What people are saying that it does exist, and needs to be dealt with. Is that such a bad thing? I mean, I think it’s silly to NOT to deal with it just because it’s worse somewhere else.
you are right, my apologies, but the card is still overplayed. I agree racism still endures, but it’s NO where near as bad as apparently Ms. Noelle seems to be insinuating.
Punkybrewster:
I’m afraid to say that it is never in our place to measure how bad racism is for other people that we are not part of. This is precisely what we hear from hearing people about our experiences with audism. They think they have a clue, but they do not period. With this attitude by people, the “isms” will not be minimized as it serves to control and/or slow down the progress
I used to roommate with two wonderful African American deaf men in college days. We’ve had many conversations about this issue. While I have always been receptive and sensitive to different races, they taught me so much that can never be learned through reading and all. It was an eye opener.
I’ve witnessed directly how the delivery pizza would ask my roommates for their driver’s license when they never once asked me any of those days. Another time, I offered one of my roommates to borrow my car when he needed to go to one place and he declined. Why? Because he was afraid if he gets pulled over by the police, no matter what he says, he’ll be arrested for stealing a car. I tried to make it easier for him by giving him a note for the police. He just politely declined. I felt sad that they have to deal with this other than audism.
great points, Katherine. I like how you gave examples of everyday incidents of differential treatment because of skin color, e.g., racism. These “little” things may not prevent a person from being successful in life, punkybrewster, but they sure do add up, and when hundreds and hundreds of them accumulate over the lifespan, they tend to spill over into a certain attitude or mindset toward the larger group who tend to do them. After a while, as Kristi says, you simply get to a point where you have to say “Stop. Enough.”
I’ve noticed differential treatment because of deafness and speaking ability happening in front of my very eyes, so I know that audism exists. For example, when my deaf friend and I (also deaf) are in a restaurant, the waitperson typically talks to him first. Why? Because he’s a man? When he tells them he’s deaf and to write it down on a notepad, the waitperson turns to me and starts talking.
I know I have this annoying tendency to make inferences from behavior, but the implication is that the waitperson doesn’t want to deal directly with a deaf person. I might respond in one of two ways. I gesture that I’m deaf too so he will be forced to write things down as we ask. Or I might use my (usually) intelligible speech and talk to the waitperson. I’m often taken aback by how their demeanor might change once s/he realizes I can talk. From that point on, the waitperson only wants to deal with me. S/He smiles at me, is friendly, and totally ignores the other person. Just about everyone I know has seen this happen.
Now you might attribute the behavior of the waitperson to ignorance … convenience … audism? Whatever you want to call it, it’s certainly one of those everyday annoyances that you have to put up with when you’re “different.” It doesn’t stop you from having a happy and fulfilling like the other 99.9% of the time, but they sure add up, don’t they? What should you do? Should you let your reservoir of annoyance slowly fill up, or should you just let it go?
That black people are more likely to be pulled over by the police than white people is one example of a known phenomenon called racial profiling. There have been studies on it by credible authorities. Yet, is it any surprise that law enforcement groups deny that it is happening? What does that tell you? No one likes being accused of racism, yet denial continues and nothing changes.
In this very early phase of his administration, Davila has taken specific actions that suggest he is not serious about diversity. This doesn’t mean he is a bad person, a lousy administrator, or an inept president. He may have good intentions. But because his access to accurate information may be restricted by the people he has chosen to surround himself with, he may not realize how his actions are being perceived by the people most affected by them, that is, students of color at Gallaudet.
Hi CE/Katherine:
I agree. I also think there’s more going on than just attitudes and incidents (such as the ones you described above) slowly adding up. As they add up, different things happen. The person on the receiving end of it might internalize it. So when he’s told to stop feeling sorry for himself or stop whining, he actually believes he IS feeling sorry for himself, when in reality he’s being treated unfairly.
And the person who treated him unfairly in the first place, since he obviously doesn’t want to deal with the consequences of what he’s doing, simply plays on that internalization. Thus in a lot of cases (obviously not ALL… sometimes people really can makes things better for themselves through their own efforts but don’t bother to try) you can have both the victim AND the attacker saying, “Oh, these people need to stop whining!” *These people* are those who share the victim’s minority status.
It brings to mind how the “bootstrap theory” (if you want to succeed in life, all you ha