Comments on: Express Polls the General Public on the Gallaudet Protests http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/ Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:47:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Aquafina http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-25517 Aquafina Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:09:21 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-25517 As someone who lived through the times of Kent State University "massacre" that you put it: it was NOT the police that shot at the protesters at all. IT was the national guard that did the dirty deed. Check out your local library or get on the internet and do some research. Several innocent people were killed and they were at the wrong place and the wrong time. They were NOT even close to the guns at the time when they were shot at. Its akin to walking into the line of fire, which is exactly what happened. Lot of tear gas capsules were thrown about during that time. Sad tragic day during the Vietnam era but I highly doubt that will ever happen at Gallaudet because the DC police do exercise great restraint here. It is the University police you have to worry about here. As someone who lived through the times of Kent State University “massacre” that you put it: it was NOT the police that shot at the protesters at all. IT was the national guard that did the dirty deed. Check out your local library or get on the internet and do some research.

Several innocent people were killed and they were at the wrong place and the wrong time. They were NOT even close to the guns at the time when they were shot at. Its akin to walking into the line of fire, which is exactly what happened. Lot of tear gas capsules were thrown about during that time.

Sad tragic day during the Vietnam era but I highly doubt that will ever happen at Gallaudet because the DC police do exercise great restraint here. It is the University police you have to worry about here.

]]> By: DeafLinux http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-25012 DeafLinux Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:25:50 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-25012 That is an interesting blog site (gallybusters). Gallybusters and Allison's analysis both provided interesting perspectives of facts. Makes people think more and this is why I love this blog. Thanks for sharing. That is an interesting blog site (gallybusters). Gallybusters and Allison’s analysis both provided interesting perspectives of facts. Makes people think more and this is why I love this blog.

Thanks for sharing.

]]> By: gallybusters http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-24974 gallybusters Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:40:45 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-24974 I have to be concerned if you of all people actually think Allison Kaftan's commentary gave you a better understanding of what the protest is all about. The best way to gain understanding is to actually attend the protest and listen to what people have been saying. Then you'll see what Allison said is just full of fluff. I'd suggest you take a scope at the website, http://gallybusters-gallybusters.blogspot.com/ and read up more about the protest. I'm rather disappointed that you would fall so easily to the protest. I have to be concerned if you of all people actually think Allison Kaftan’s commentary gave you a better understanding of what the protest is all about. The best way to gain understanding is to actually attend the protest and listen to what people have been saying. Then you’ll see what Allison said is just full of fluff. I’d suggest you take a scope at the website, http://gallybusters-gallybusters.blogspot.com/ and read up more about the protest. I’m rather disappointed that you would fall so easily to the protest.

]]> By: Curious Eyes http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-23767 Curious Eyes Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:41:56 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-23767 Spare me the drama, sweetie. Likening the current situation to Kent State is an insult to and minimizes the true tragedies of those who DIED. In this situation, no one died or was even seriously hurt. There were no weapons, no bloodshed, not even fists thrown. Don't try to push my buttons. Instead of behaving like serious-minded radicals bravely sacrificing their educations for a noble cause, the protestors behaved like spoiled children. As someone else said elsewhere on this blog, a college education, and a Gallaudet education, is a privilege, not a right. Granted, GU is not perfect and needs to address its issues. The challenges it faces are shared by every single other university and corporation in America. Racism, sexism, and audism are real problems everywhere. Shutting down the campus for a week, keeping children from their education and staff from their jobs is not the way to fix those problems. It's so much easier to yell about them than to actually do something about those problems, isn't it? Spare me the drama, sweetie. Likening the current situation to Kent State is an insult to and minimizes the true tragedies of those who DIED. In this situation, no one died or was even seriously hurt. There were no weapons, no bloodshed, not even fists thrown. Don’t try to push my buttons. Instead of behaving like serious-minded radicals bravely sacrificing their educations for a noble cause, the protestors behaved like spoiled children. As someone else said elsewhere on this blog, a college education, and a Gallaudet education, is a privilege, not a right. Granted, GU is not perfect and needs to address its issues. The challenges it faces are shared by every single other university and corporation in America. Racism, sexism, and audism are real problems everywhere. Shutting down the campus for a week, keeping children from their education and staff from their jobs is not the way to fix those problems. It’s so much easier to yell about them than to actually do something about those problems, isn’t it?

]]> By: Curious Eyes http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-23764 Curious Eyes Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:30:19 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-23764 calm down. it's not a disaster, just a tempest in a teapot. True, it's a difficult situation for those of us who involved in the d/Deaf community, but not to anyone else. I'm afraid the world already treats the protestors like immature children -- they weren't even taken to a real jail, and the bail was only $50. IKJ waited too long to have the kids removed because he didn't want to hurt them and didn't want them to face the true consequences of their behavior. I agree with you that the protestors and their supporters were very manipulative and they should be ashamed of themselves. I think less of them for that, but backlash... um, no. calm down. it’s not a disaster, just a tempest in a teapot. True, it’s a difficult situation for those of us who involved in the d/Deaf community, but not to anyone else. I’m afraid the world already treats the protestors like immature children — they weren’t even taken to a real jail, and the bail was only $50. IKJ waited too long to have the kids removed because he didn’t want to hurt them and didn’t want them to face the true consequences of their behavior. I agree with you that the protestors and their supporters were very manipulative and they should be ashamed of themselves. I think less of them for that, but backlash… um, no.

]]> By: Curious Eyes http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-23761 Curious Eyes Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:24:08 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-23761 Richard, I'm astonished to find myself agreeing with you here. Is it really you, or is someone else using your name? I totally agree it's about the old guard resisting the "new deaf" culture. How do I know this? Because so many of the 135 students arrested are deaf of deaf. The other day, there was a letter signed by the parents of the protestors who are also alumni of GU themselves. It's very telling. They want so much for us to return to the pre-Milan 1880 years -- ASL as the language of instruction, all instruction by culturally deaf ASL users, schools and agencies for the deaf firmly in their control. That's never going to happen, but will still remain as an option for some. They want the whole pie, not just a piece of it. They are as fanatical and unreasoning as a religious cult. Richard, I’m astonished to find myself agreeing with you here. Is it really you, or is someone else using your name? I totally agree it’s about the old guard resisting the “new deaf” culture. How do I know this? Because so many of the 135 students arrested are deaf of deaf. The other day, there was a letter signed by the parents of the protestors who are also alumni of GU themselves. It’s very telling. They want so much for us to return to the pre-Milan 1880 years — ASL as the language of instruction, all instruction by culturally deaf ASL users, schools and agencies for the deaf firmly in their control. That’s never going to happen, but will still remain as an option for some. They want the whole pie, not just a piece of it. They are as fanatical and unreasoning as a religious cult.

]]> By: Curious Eyes http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-23757 Curious Eyes Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:18:37 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-23757 Actually, their attitudes about CIs have not changed. At least, not in public. Witness the NPR interview the other day ... a DoD person named David billed himself as an expert on CIs. His qualifications? He has "researched" the topic. There are deaf people giving lectures about how CIs are genocidal and efforts to practice eugenics on deaf people. Actually, their attitudes about CIs have not changed. At least, not in public. Witness the NPR interview the other day … a DoD person named David billed himself as an expert on CIs. His qualifications? He has “researched” the topic. There are deaf people giving lectures about how CIs are genocidal and efforts to practice eugenics on deaf people.

]]> By: Tim http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-23748 Tim Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:23:30 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-23748 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA TO ALL PROTESTERS WHO GOT ARRESTED YESTERDAY!!!! EVEN Tim RARUS (IMBECILE GUY TO BE INVOLVED) HAHA IT IS OVER SO TIME TO MOVE ON FOR YOU CRY BABIES AND WANNABEs!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA TO ALL PROTESTERS WHO GOT ARRESTED YESTERDAY!!!! EVEN Tim RARUS (IMBECILE GUY TO BE INVOLVED) HAHA IT IS OVER SO TIME TO MOVE ON FOR YOU CRY BABIES AND WANNABEs!!

]]> By: a stranger http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-23387 a stranger Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:39:28 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-23387 www.gallaudet.edu website is down. I surely hope the protesters didnt have anything to do with this. http://www.gallaudet.edu website is down.

I surely hope the protesters didnt have anything to do with this.

]]> By: Richard Roehm http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-23375 Richard Roehm Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:59:14 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-himmelmann/2006-10-12/express-polls-the-general-public-on-the-protests-in-gallaudet/#comment-23375 Definition of SCOURGE : scourge (skûrj) pronunciation n. 1. A source of widespread dreadful affliction and devastation such as that caused by pestilence or war. 2. A means of inflicting severe suffering, vengeance, or punishment. 3. A whip used to inflict punishment. tr.v., scourged, scourg·ing, scourg·es. 1. To afflict with severe or widespread suffering and devastation; ravage. 2. To chastise severely; excoriate. 3. To flog. [Middle English, from Anglo-Norman escorge, from Old French escorgier, to whip, from Vulgar Latin *excorrigiāre : Latin ex-, intensive pref.; see ex– + Latin corrigia, thong (probably of Celtic origin).] -------------------------------------- Excellent examples of the scourge from the old deaf guards can be found in one of Tom Bertling's published books. http://www.addall.com/author/2653032-1 Looking at this particular book; http://www.addall.com/detail/0963781375.html You can see stories of scourge casted upon prominent deaf leaders and inspirational deaf people by the old deaf guards. Through their actions, they have made the American Sign Language into some sort of a weapon than a communication method. Let's all pay good homage to deaf leaders who lives have been catastrophically altered after becoming victims of cyber-bullying, rumor attacks either via email, newsgroups, blogs, postings, websites, falsified restraining orders, vandalism, and through many other undue intimidating actions. And work together at eliminating these sources of scourge within the deaf communities. Definition of SCOURGE :

scourge (skûrj) pronunciation
n.

1. A source of widespread dreadful affliction and devastation such as that caused by pestilence or war.
2. A means of inflicting severe suffering, vengeance, or punishment.
3. A whip used to inflict punishment.

tr.v., scourged, scourg·ing, scourg·es.

1. To afflict with severe or widespread suffering and devastation; ravage.
2. To chastise severely; excoriate.
3. To flog.

[Middle English, from Anglo-Norman escorge, from Old French escorgier, to whip, from Vulgar Latin *excorrigiāre : Latin ex-, intensive pref.; see ex– + Latin corrigia, thong (probably of Celtic origin).]

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Excellent examples of the scourge from the old deaf guards can be found in one of Tom Bertling’s published books.

http://www.addall.com/author/2653032-1

Looking at this particular book;

http://www.addall.com/detail/0963781375.html

You can see stories of scourge casted upon prominent deaf leaders and inspirational deaf people by the old deaf guards.

Through their actions, they have made the American Sign Language into some sort of a weapon than a communication method.

Let’s all pay good homage to deaf leaders who lives have been catastrophically altered after becoming victims of cyber-bullying, rumor attacks either via email, newsgroups, blogs, postings, websites, falsified restraining orders, vandalism, and through many other undue intimidating actions.

And work together at eliminating these sources of scourge within the deaf communities.

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