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	<title>Comments on: Spin Artists and the Restless Natives</title>
	<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/</link>
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		<title>By: WAD</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-37409</link>
		<dc:creator>WAD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-37409</guid>
		<description>WSS,

You have an e-mail! *notification*

WAD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WSS,</p>
<p>You have an e-mail! *notification*</p>
<p>WAD</p>
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		<title>By: wildstarryskies</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-37399</link>
		<dc:creator>wildstarryskies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-37399</guid>
		<description>email me

wildstarryskies at hotmail

now I am wondering if I already know you in person? You know how it is online... hmmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>email me</p>
<p>wildstarryskies at hotmail</p>
<p>now I am wondering if I already know you in person? You know how it is online&#8230; hmmmm</p>
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		<title>By: wildstarryskies</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-37395</link>
		<dc:creator>wildstarryskies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-37395</guid>
		<description>Hmm an intresting idea.. I don't have the game though.. I'd have to buy it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm an intresting idea.. I don&#8217;t have the game though.. I&#8217;d have to buy it..</p>
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		<title>By: Curious Eyes</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-36879</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious Eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-36879</guid>
		<description>McConnell, you obviously put what you learned in Professor Hurst's class (and from your mom) to good use.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McConnell, you obviously put what you learned in Professor Hurst&#8217;s class (and from your mom) to good use.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Curious Eyes</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-36876</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious Eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-36876</guid>
		<description>I'd play Trivial Pursuit with you too, wildstarryskies.  Do you suppose we could do it via VP?  seeing as how I'm on the Left Coast.  Wonder if there's an online version?  Any BoxerJam addicts out there?  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d play Trivial Pursuit with you too, wildstarryskies.  Do you suppose we could do it via VP?  seeing as how I&#8217;m on the Left Coast.  Wonder if there&#8217;s an online version?  Any BoxerJam addicts out there?  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-36855</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-36855</guid>
		<description>Erin - can you elaborate more on what you meant by this specific phrase: "The broken promises of the ADA..."?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin - can you elaborate more on what you meant by this specific phrase: &#8220;The broken promises of the ADA&#8230;&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: mcconnell</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-36698</link>
		<dc:creator>mcconnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-36698</guid>
		<description>I never said nor implied that his intention was audistic in nature. I brought up the "fancy word" charges, not audism. That was CE's. 

And, yes, he was trying to pick apart my argument, unsuccessfully so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said nor implied that his intention was audistic in nature. I brought up the &#8220;fancy word&#8221; charges, not audism. That was CE&#8217;s. </p>
<p>And, yes, he was trying to pick apart my argument, unsuccessfully so.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-36640</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-36640</guid>
		<description>Granted, being "autocratic" could be "proveable" in the LEGAL sense, if there were a legal definition for it in the way that we have a legal definition for "sexual harassment."

But I think I may have chosen the wrong phrasing here.  I wasn't thinking in terms of "proving" an "autocratic, MBI leadship style" in a legalistc sense, but more in a scientific sense.

To make an analogy:  What is 4 plus 2?  Easy.  It's 6.  There's only one correct answer (assuming you're not using some base other than 10 or anything other than grade 1-level math).

What is wood?  I don't know enough about biology or physics to try to provide a scientific definition, but I assume that an expert could write a reasonably precise definition that could clearly encompass most of the materials that most of us would define as "wood" while leaving out things that aren't.

But what is MBI?  What is an "autocratic" leadership style?  Ask 10 people and you will get 10 different opinions and probably not one scientifically measurable definition.  (You get the same with sexual harassment, actually, but with sexual harassment there is a legal definition that takes force in a court of law  But a LEGAL definition is not the same as a SCIENTIFIC definition that can be tested empirically and receive the same results a thousand times over with a thousand different scientists or observers.)  

MBI is, at least in part, a very subjective experience (kind of like sexual harassment) in that it is utilmately identifiable only by the person who experiences it: if it feels like harassment (or MBI) then probably it is, even if it might not pass the rigid legalistic test in a court of law.  (In other words, just because it can't be "proven" in court doesn't mean it isn't happening.)   

But we don't live in a world of psychic empaths where we can read each other's feelings.  All we really know is what other people SAY they feel.  And there's always going to be someone who says, "Prove you feel harassed or intimidated."  And how do you prove it?  You can't, really.  And THAT'S what I was trying to get at when I said you can't really "prove" MBI/autocraticism/etc.

Am I making any more sense here?  I have a sneaking fear I only muddled things further :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granted, being &#8220;autocratic&#8221; could be &#8220;proveable&#8221; in the LEGAL sense, if there were a legal definition for it in the way that we have a legal definition for &#8220;sexual harassment.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I think I may have chosen the wrong phrasing here.  I wasn&#8217;t thinking in terms of &#8220;proving&#8221; an &#8220;autocratic, MBI leadship style&#8221; in a legalistc sense, but more in a scientific sense.</p>
<p>To make an analogy:  What is 4 plus 2?  Easy.  It&#8217;s 6.  There&#8217;s only one correct answer (assuming you&#8217;re not using some base other than 10 or anything other than grade 1-level math).</p>
<p>What is wood?  I don&#8217;t know enough about biology or physics to try to provide a scientific definition, but I assume that an expert could write a reasonably precise definition that could clearly encompass most of the materials that most of us would define as &#8220;wood&#8221; while leaving out things that aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But what is MBI?  What is an &#8220;autocratic&#8221; leadership style?  Ask 10 people and you will get 10 different opinions and probably not one scientifically measurable definition.  (You get the same with sexual harassment, actually, but with sexual harassment there is a legal definition that takes force in a court of law  But a LEGAL definition is not the same as a SCIENTIFIC definition that can be tested empirically and receive the same results a thousand times over with a thousand different scientists or observers.)  </p>
<p>MBI is, at least in part, a very subjective experience (kind of like sexual harassment) in that it is utilmately identifiable only by the person who experiences it: if it feels like harassment (or MBI) then probably it is, even if it might not pass the rigid legalistic test in a court of law.  (In other words, just because it can&#8217;t be &#8220;proven&#8221; in court doesn&#8217;t mean it isn&#8217;t happening.)   </p>
<p>But we don&#8217;t live in a world of psychic empaths where we can read each other&#8217;s feelings.  All we really know is what other people SAY they feel.  And there&#8217;s always going to be someone who says, &#8220;Prove you feel harassed or intimidated.&#8221;  And how do you prove it?  You can&#8217;t, really.  And THAT&#8217;S what I was trying to get at when I said you can&#8217;t really &#8220;prove&#8221; MBI/autocraticism/etc.</p>
<p>Am I making any more sense here?  I have a sneaking fear I only muddled things further :-)</p>
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		<title>By: kbm</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-36634</link>
		<dc:creator>kbm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-36634</guid>
		<description>Just clarifying one thing here- only two national organizations of color joined the small students of color's protest, it wasn't like it suddenly ballooned into the volatile protest we saw. There were two protests- a much smaller one which died in May with the announcement of Fernandes as President, and this more massive one. 

I will let y'all know that FSSA as an organization itself is no friend of mine. Probably of no surprise to some of you. Some of them came into a COSC meeting and told the COSC leaders there, last week, that there is no COSC, they have no power, FSSA does, so "join us". Demoralizing for them. Ready to give up. Some of us alumni, including myself, did pep talks with them, and at the end, almost at the 11th hour, they found a way to get their feet into the door to talk alongside SBG and GSA at BoT's meeting this Saturday.  

I must say, SBG and GSA are to be commended, they told BoT to listen to them. And today, their perservance and courage paid off- we now have one COSC representative and one International Student representative slotted for the interim President selection. What is more important to me is seeing them grow more in confidence and in their conviction to try to fight for what they believe is right, against all odds, in a dignified manner. You see, it's only four of them who has been doing this hidden battle since April. Sure they have advisors and outside people like myself who gives advice, ideas, and information but really who has to do the real hands-on grunt work and the speeches- these FOUR. NAD didn't help them. GUAA didn't help them. They don't have a website. They don't have big deaf names (other than NBDA and National Asian Deaf Congress) backing them. They had no Katie Couric to talk on TV. They have no PayPal donations. They have no Ridor, no Joey Baer et al (except for Mike McConnell and DeafDC- thanks!) to speak for their cause. They have no petition to collect signatures. And ,today, they still got on this committee. Wow. All I can say is- well done, COSC. Let the work begin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just clarifying one thing here- only two national organizations of color joined the small students of color&#8217;s protest, it wasn&#8217;t like it suddenly ballooned into the volatile protest we saw. There were two protests- a much smaller one which died in May with the announcement of Fernandes as President, and this more massive one. </p>
<p>I will let y&#8217;all know that FSSA as an organization itself is no friend of mine. Probably of no surprise to some of you. Some of them came into a COSC meeting and told the COSC leaders there, last week, that there is no COSC, they have no power, FSSA does, so &#8220;join us&#8221;. Demoralizing for them. Ready to give up. Some of us alumni, including myself, did pep talks with them, and at the end, almost at the 11th hour, they found a way to get their feet into the door to talk alongside SBG and GSA at BoT&#8217;s meeting this Saturday.  </p>
<p>I must say, SBG and GSA are to be commended, they told BoT to listen to them. And today, their perservance and courage paid off- we now have one COSC representative and one International Student representative slotted for the interim President selection. What is more important to me is seeing them grow more in confidence and in their conviction to try to fight for what they believe is right, against all odds, in a dignified manner. You see, it&#8217;s only four of them who has been doing this hidden battle since April. Sure they have advisors and outside people like myself who gives advice, ideas, and information but really who has to do the real hands-on grunt work and the speeches- these FOUR. NAD didn&#8217;t help them. GUAA didn&#8217;t help them. They don&#8217;t have a website. They don&#8217;t have big deaf names (other than NBDA and National Asian Deaf Congress) backing them. They had no Katie Couric to talk on TV. They have no PayPal donations. They have no Ridor, no Joey Baer et al (except for Mike McConnell and DeafDC- thanks!) to speak for their cause. They have no petition to collect signatures. And ,today, they still got on this committee. Wow. All I can say is- well done, COSC. Let the work begin.</p>
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		<title>By: kbm</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-36613</link>
		<dc:creator>kbm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/erin-casler/2006-11-09/spin-artists-and-the-restless-natives/#comment-36613</guid>
		<description>Amen! The message was all jumbled up, didn't help matters any when "Deafhood" started seeping in at the same time. What should have been the central message? My opinion? See my vlog on youtube.com "Stop This Insanity- Unity for All". 

I agree we can't lump all problems on one person like that, that's just perpetuating a victimhood mentality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen! The message was all jumbled up, didn&#8217;t help matters any when &#8220;Deafhood&#8221; started seeping in at the same time. What should have been the central message? My opinion? See my vlog on youtube.com &#8220;Stop This Insanity- Unity for All&#8221;. </p>
<p>I agree we can&#8217;t lump all problems on one person like that, that&#8217;s just perpetuating a victimhood mentality.</p>
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