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	<title>Comments on: Colbert: Viability in a Political Wonderland</title>
	<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/</link>
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		<title>By: Michele Ketcham</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91975</link>
		<dc:creator>Michele Ketcham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91975</guid>
		<description>No, that's not true. The popular vote is counted country-wide. The size of the states don't matter in this regard.

In the last election, Gore won the popular vote, and Bush won the electoral college vote. Which had more weight? Electoral college vote!

And I think that's wrong.

The electoral college system REMOVES your "say" in who gets elected. Think about it: you could vote for Candidate D, and if enough people in your state voted for Candidate A, then the state will call the Candidate A the winner, even if s/he got less than 51% of the state-wide vote.

To me, that sucks, and I can certainly understand why so many people feel as if their vote doesn't "matter" or doesn't "count".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that&#8217;s not true. The popular vote is counted country-wide. The size of the states don&#8217;t matter in this regard.</p>
<p>In the last election, Gore won the popular vote, and Bush won the electoral college vote. Which had more weight? Electoral college vote!</p>
<p>And I think that&#8217;s wrong.</p>
<p>The electoral college system REMOVES your &#8220;say&#8221; in who gets elected. Think about it: you could vote for Candidate D, and if enough people in your state voted for Candidate A, then the state will call the Candidate A the winner, even if s/he got less than 51% of the state-wide vote.</p>
<p>To me, that sucks, and I can certainly understand why so many people feel as if their vote doesn&#8217;t &#8220;matter&#8221; or doesn&#8217;t &#8220;count&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91973</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91973</guid>
		<description>If we had a popular vote, then California, New York, and Texas will always decide who the President would be.

The electoral college is useful today as it was in the past, although for different reasons. 

Today, it helps ensure that the country maintains its cohesiveness by requiring a distribution of popular support to be elected President.  This way, the minority interests are also protected by having a say in who gets elected.  

Abolishing it just because we are not happy with the results isn't good enough a reason to do away with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we had a popular vote, then California, New York, and Texas will always decide who the President would be.</p>
<p>The electoral college is useful today as it was in the past, although for different reasons. </p>
<p>Today, it helps ensure that the country maintains its cohesiveness by requiring a distribution of popular support to be elected President.  This way, the minority interests are also protected by having a say in who gets elected.  </p>
<p>Abolishing it just because we are not happy with the results isn&#8217;t good enough a reason to do away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michele Ketcham</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91971</link>
		<dc:creator>Michele Ketcham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91971</guid>
		<description>The popular vote by itself should be enough to make things "equitable".

Remember, electoral college was only established BECAUSE the founding fathers were terrified of mob rule and didn't have much faith in the new residents of the new country.

I think by now, the concept of electoral college has outlived its original purpose and usefulness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The popular vote by itself should be enough to make things &#8220;equitable&#8221;.</p>
<p>Remember, electoral college was only established BECAUSE the founding fathers were terrified of mob rule and didn&#8217;t have much faith in the new residents of the new country.</p>
<p>I think by now, the concept of electoral college has outlived its original purpose and usefulness.</p>
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		<title>By: Does anyone know what Impeachment actually means?</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91946</link>
		<dc:creator>Does anyone know what Impeachment actually means?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91946</guid>
		<description>The most interesting thing about this is that if the impeachment portion does ever happen, Cheney will be presiding over his own impeachment proceedings.

From Article 1, Section 3 of the Constitution:

"The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided. 

"The Senate shall choose their other officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the office of President of the United States. 

"The Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments. When sitting for that purpose, they shall be on oath or affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two thirds of the members present."

Note that there's an exception if the President of the US has such proceedings against him, but nothing about the Vice-President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most interesting thing about this is that if the impeachment portion does ever happen, Cheney will be presiding over his own impeachment proceedings.</p>
<p>From Article 1, Section 3 of the Constitution:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided. </p>
<p>&#8220;The Senate shall choose their other officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the office of President of the United States. </p>
<p>&#8220;The Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments. When sitting for that purpose, they shall be on oath or affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two thirds of the members present.&#8221;</p>
<p>Note that there&#8217;s an exception if the President of the US has such proceedings against him, but nothing about the Vice-President.</p>
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		<title>By: A Deaf Pundit</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91938</link>
		<dc:creator>A Deaf Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 04:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91938</guid>
		<description>Rep. Kucinich tried to get Cheney impeached, and amazingly enough, the Republicans voted in support of it, and the bill got sent to committee. What's ironic is that the head of the Judiciary committee wants to impeach Cheney, and the Democrats are humiliated over this. Why are they humiliated over this, I don't know.

Give me someone like Colbert, or a solid independent who's fiscally conservative and socially liberal, and I'll vote for him/her! Colbert could probably run this country better than this administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rep. Kucinich tried to get Cheney impeached, and amazingly enough, the Republicans voted in support of it, and the bill got sent to committee. What&#8217;s ironic is that the head of the Judiciary committee wants to impeach Cheney, and the Democrats are humiliated over this. Why are they humiliated over this, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Give me someone like Colbert, or a solid independent who&#8217;s fiscally conservative and socially liberal, and I&#8217;ll vote for him/her! Colbert could probably run this country better than this administration.</p>
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		<title>By: David Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91937</link>
		<dc:creator>David Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 04:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91937</guid>
		<description>Dan, thanks for joining in. Ron Paul is a Republican (albeit more of a libertarian), so I don't see him as a "change" from the "status quo." I agree with Ron Paul about civil liberties (He was against the Patriot  Act, for example), and for that alone, I'd be okay with him if he won. But these are not ordinary times. Paul's stance on government, taxes, states' rights (he's for them) are all positions I disagree with. His views on health care aren't acceptable to me as well. In some ways, he's very libertarian and "old school" Republican; in other ways, he's a typical Republican. 

I think his support right now stems largely due to two things: 1) the fact that he supports a lot of the core beliefs of what the Republicans *used* to stand for (such as fiscal responsibility)and 2) he's very much against the war in Iraq, something that a lot of candidates, Democratic and Republican, aren't clearly against, or aren't taking as strong a stand.  In that sense, I see his role as similar to Gene McCarthy's during the 1968 election; a voice of public sentiment over an increasingly unpopular war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, thanks for joining in. Ron Paul is a Republican (albeit more of a libertarian), so I don&#8217;t see him as a &#8220;change&#8221; from the &#8220;status quo.&#8221; I agree with Ron Paul about civil liberties (He was against the Patriot  Act, for example), and for that alone, I&#8217;d be okay with him if he won. But these are not ordinary times. Paul&#8217;s stance on government, taxes, states&#8217; rights (he&#8217;s for them) are all positions I disagree with. His views on health care aren&#8217;t acceptable to me as well. In some ways, he&#8217;s very libertarian and &#8220;old school&#8221; Republican; in other ways, he&#8217;s a typical Republican. </p>
<p>I think his support right now stems largely due to two things: 1) the fact that he supports a lot of the core beliefs of what the Republicans *used* to stand for (such as fiscal responsibility)and 2) he&#8217;s very much against the war in Iraq, something that a lot of candidates, Democratic and Republican, aren&#8217;t clearly against, or aren&#8217;t taking as strong a stand.  In that sense, I see his role as similar to Gene McCarthy&#8217;s during the 1968 election; a voice of public sentiment over an increasingly unpopular war.</p>
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		<title>By: David Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91935</link>
		<dc:creator>David Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91935</guid>
		<description>John, I don't think *everyone* who's a career politician is "devoid of morality" and "compulsive liars." But enough amoral people enter politics that I think there needs to be a shift in how we view government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I don&#8217;t think *everyone* who&#8217;s a career politician is &#8220;devoid of morality&#8221; and &#8220;compulsive liars.&#8221; But enough amoral people enter politics that I think there needs to be a shift in how we view government.</p>
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		<title>By: David Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91934</link>
		<dc:creator>David Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91934</guid>
		<description>Michele, if we abandon the electoral college, what should we replace it with? How will a new system be equitable? 

I agree- it's time to re-examine our electoral system, but I think the first stop has to be the primary system. It's totally out of whack as it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michele, if we abandon the electoral college, what should we replace it with? How will a new system be equitable? </p>
<p>I agree- it&#8217;s time to re-examine our electoral system, but I think the first stop has to be the primary system. It&#8217;s totally out of whack as it is.</p>
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		<title>By: David Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91933</link>
		<dc:creator>David Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91933</guid>
		<description>Belle, I think the two parties are definitely due for a changing of the guard, AND some introspection into what they stand for. As it is, the Republicans have abandoned a lot of their core principles, and the hard-core right-wingers are in danger of developing a cult of personality. The Democrats have also abandoned a lot of what they stand for, and most of them have either adopted a "me-too" "Republican-lite" attitude, or simply gone AWOL. I think it would benefit our country a lot more if we had a broader representation, such as many Europeans do with their parliaments, where an array of political parties win representation to the national legislature. 

But the immediate problem I see before any other reforms can be done is to get money out of the system. Right now campaign finance is totally corrupt, and any "reform" has either been token or so piecemeal as to be token.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belle, I think the two parties are definitely due for a changing of the guard, AND some introspection into what they stand for. As it is, the Republicans have abandoned a lot of their core principles, and the hard-core right-wingers are in danger of developing a cult of personality. The Democrats have also abandoned a lot of what they stand for, and most of them have either adopted a &#8220;me-too&#8221; &#8220;Republican-lite&#8221; attitude, or simply gone AWOL. I think it would benefit our country a lot more if we had a broader representation, such as many Europeans do with their parliaments, where an array of political parties win representation to the national legislature. </p>
<p>But the immediate problem I see before any other reforms can be done is to get money out of the system. Right now campaign finance is totally corrupt, and any &#8220;reform&#8221; has either been token or so piecemeal as to be token.</p>
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		<title>By: David Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/david-evans/2007-11-02/colbert-viability-in-a-political-wonderland/#comment-91932</link>
		<dc:creator>David Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In that case, Brent, hope and pray that Al Franken wins in Minnesota. *grin*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that case, Brent, hope and pray that Al Franken wins in Minnesota. *grin*</p>
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