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		<title>By: Chris Heuer</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/chris-heuer/2008-08-11/peak-oil-and-the-president-an-energy-plan-i-can-vote-for/#comment-101704</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Heuer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>General question for anybody who is still following this post... what do you guys think of wind vs. nuclear power?  McCain  wants to scale up nuclear power, and I'm pretty sure Obama is hesitant to do this.  I'd mention competitive sources other than wind but wind power seems to be the strongest sector in renewables right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>General question for anybody who is still following this post&#8230; what do you guys think of wind vs. nuclear power?  McCain  wants to scale up nuclear power, and I&#8217;m pretty sure Obama is hesitant to do this.  I&#8217;d mention competitive sources other than wind but wind power seems to be the strongest sector in renewables right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Heuer</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/chris-heuer/2008-08-11/peak-oil-and-the-president-an-energy-plan-i-can-vote-for/#comment-101703</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Heuer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gumby:

I largely agree with your points in this and other posts but there is one small point I'd like to make in return: "Energy" is a broad term.  There's a lot of sunlight, for example, that hits the surface of the earth every second that we don't make use of, so in a sense we "waste" it because we haven't built enough solar arrays to capture it.  Same thing goes for wind power, tidal power, geothermal power, etc.  And in that limited sense, who is or isn't using a greater percentage of the world's "energy output" doesn't really matter, so long as that energy is renewable.  If all of the countries of Africa got together to build windmills and solar arrays, something to capture tidal power--what have you--and as a result those percentages shot up (for example, now America is using 25% of the world's energy output and Africa is using 50% and everybody else combined is using the remaining 25%), that's all fine.  The real problem is when that power comes from non-renewable resources (oil and coal and natural gas, as you state), and when the whole of the world's economy is dependent upon these non-renewable resources.  Then we have a big problem.  Natural gas will peak soon after oil, and coal will eventually peak too, as will uranium and everything else.

The only reason I bring this up is that America shouldn't be knocked for using as much "energy" as it does.  It should be knocked for using as much energy as it does that comes from sources that aren't renewable, have to be imported, etc.

On a lighter note, I did see a ricksaw (two, in fact) in downtown Alexandria the other day.  So that's something.  Saw more than a few buses running on Soybean oil, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gumby:</p>
<p>I largely agree with your points in this and other posts but there is one small point I&#8217;d like to make in return: &#8220;Energy&#8221; is a broad term.  There&#8217;s a lot of sunlight, for example, that hits the surface of the earth every second that we don&#8217;t make use of, so in a sense we &#8220;waste&#8221; it because we haven&#8217;t built enough solar arrays to capture it.  Same thing goes for wind power, tidal power, geothermal power, etc.  And in that limited sense, who is or isn&#8217;t using a greater percentage of the world&#8217;s &#8220;energy output&#8221; doesn&#8217;t really matter, so long as that energy is renewable.  If all of the countries of Africa got together to build windmills and solar arrays, something to capture tidal power&#8211;what have you&#8211;and as a result those percentages shot up (for example, now America is using 25% of the world&#8217;s energy output and Africa is using 50% and everybody else combined is using the remaining 25%), that&#8217;s all fine.  The real problem is when that power comes from non-renewable resources (oil and coal and natural gas, as you state), and when the whole of the world&#8217;s economy is dependent upon these non-renewable resources.  Then we have a big problem.  Natural gas will peak soon after oil, and coal will eventually peak too, as will uranium and everything else.</p>
<p>The only reason I bring this up is that America shouldn&#8217;t be knocked for using as much &#8220;energy&#8221; as it does.  It should be knocked for using as much energy as it does that comes from sources that aren&#8217;t renewable, have to be imported, etc.</p>
<p>On a lighter note, I did see a ricksaw (two, in fact) in downtown Alexandria the other day.  So that&#8217;s something.  Saw more than a few buses running on Soybean oil, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Gumby</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/chris-heuer/2008-08-11/peak-oil-and-the-president-an-energy-plan-i-can-vote-for/#comment-101702</link>
		<dc:creator>Gumby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some Americans like environmentalists believe that education is the best way to help America. Sure, some Americans can learn but most doesnt have the time, gumpton, or the care to do it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Americans like environmentalists believe that education is the best way to help America. Sure, some Americans can learn but most doesnt have the time, gumpton, or the care to do it..</p>
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		<title>By: Gumby</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/chris-heuer/2008-08-11/peak-oil-and-the-president-an-energy-plan-i-can-vote-for/#comment-101701</link>
		<dc:creator>Gumby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/chris-heuer/2008-08-11/peak-oil-and-the-president-an-energy-plan-i-can-vote-for/#comment-101701</guid>
		<description>As we run out of oil and natural gas, we will move to coal, nuclear and alternate energy like solar and wind so to keep generating tax revenues without regards to the environment. We do educate about energy conservation but we dont want to get too deep into it or it will reduce our tax revenues.  There is so much to conserve but we dont want to get there too far. The rest of the world probably could not afford energy and they managed to keep themselves warm or cool or mobile without the need of too much energy. Maybe Americans can try rickshaws, I dont know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we run out of oil and natural gas, we will move to coal, nuclear and alternate energy like solar and wind so to keep generating tax revenues without regards to the environment. We do educate about energy conservation but we dont want to get too deep into it or it will reduce our tax revenues.  There is so much to conserve but we dont want to get there too far. The rest of the world probably could not afford energy and they managed to keep themselves warm or cool or mobile without the need of too much energy. Maybe Americans can try rickshaws, I dont know.</p>
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		<title>By: Gumby</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/chris-heuer/2008-08-11/peak-oil-and-the-president-an-energy-plan-i-can-vote-for/#comment-101700</link>
		<dc:creator>Gumby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/chris-heuer/2008-08-11/peak-oil-and-the-president-an-energy-plan-i-can-vote-for/#comment-101700</guid>
		<description>Americans use 25% of the world's energy output everyday. Americans is only 4% of the world population. Americans ought to ask the rest of the world how 96% of the world population besides Americans manage to use only 75% of the world's energy output without freezing or sweating or panting. The solutions to our (American) energy problem is easy to take but we want to waste energy so to generate tax revenues on the energy we use. it is a same analogy to our health industry which sick, tired, and weak patients are wanted and needed to keep the industry thriving and generating tax revenues for our government. Illness prevention or energy conservation doesnt generate tax revenues so we ignore them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans use 25% of the world&#8217;s energy output everyday. Americans is only 4% of the world population. Americans ought to ask the rest of the world how 96% of the world population besides Americans manage to use only 75% of the world&#8217;s energy output without freezing or sweating or panting. The solutions to our (American) energy problem is easy to take but we want to waste energy so to generate tax revenues on the energy we use. it is a same analogy to our health industry which sick, tired, and weak patients are wanted and needed to keep the industry thriving and generating tax revenues for our government. Illness prevention or energy conservation doesnt generate tax revenues so we ignore them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Krentz</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/chris-heuer/2008-08-11/peak-oil-and-the-president-an-energy-plan-i-can-vote-for/#comment-101696</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Krentz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/chris-heuer/2008-08-11/peak-oil-and-the-president-an-energy-plan-i-can-vote-for/#comment-101696</guid>
		<description>You might check out 

http://www.wecansolveit.org/

which is a site dedicated to Al Gore's challenge to have clean energy in 10 years.  I found the info useful and motivating -- they are trying to mobilize people for political action.  Like Chris says, we should be demanding leaders who give us a clear vision for positive solutions.  And to be fair, both Obama and McCain have talked quite a bit about investing in renewable energy sources etc. I'm sure they will be addressing this more in their upcoming debates.

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might check out </p>
<p><a href="http://www.wecansolveit.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wecansolveit.org/</a></p>
<p>which is a site dedicated to Al Gore&#8217;s challenge to have clean energy in 10 years.  I found the info useful and motivating &#8212; they are trying to mobilize people for political action.  Like Chris says, we should be demanding leaders who give us a clear vision for positive solutions.  And to be fair, both Obama and McCain have talked quite a bit about investing in renewable energy sources etc. I&#8217;m sure they will be addressing this more in their upcoming debates.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Marylander</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/chris-heuer/2008-08-11/peak-oil-and-the-president-an-energy-plan-i-can-vote-for/#comment-101688</link>
		<dc:creator>Marylander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We're importing oil from countries that hated us - Saudi Arabia, Venezuala, Nigeria, etc. Are those liberal environmentalists in bed with them since they are silent on those countries' human rights violations as shown at www.amnesty.org and www.hrw.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re importing oil from countries that hated us - Saudi Arabia, Venezuala, Nigeria, etc. Are those liberal environmentalists in bed with them since they are silent on those countries&#8217; human rights violations as shown at <a href="http://www.amnesty.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.amnesty.org</a> and <a href="http://www.hrw.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.hrw.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: kate b</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/chris-heuer/2008-08-11/peak-oil-and-the-president-an-energy-plan-i-can-vote-for/#comment-101683</link>
		<dc:creator>kate b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to add the end quote after 'vote).". An update: the republicans are asking to add on gas and oil as credits. Obama agrees and welcomes it as a compromise. 

Compromise is all good long as the gas and oil credits don't trump the others. See-see. I hope eventually the US govt will embrace sugar cane as an alternative for energy since corn (heavily subsided and more healthy for consumption!) sucks as the ethanol alternative. I think Brazil is having a better time with their sugar cane based fuel. 
-kate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to add the end quote after &#8216;vote).&#8221;. An update: the republicans are asking to add on gas and oil as credits. Obama agrees and welcomes it as a compromise. </p>
<p>Compromise is all good long as the gas and oil credits don&#8217;t trump the others. See-see. I hope eventually the US govt will embrace sugar cane as an alternative for energy since corn (heavily subsided and more healthy for consumption!) sucks as the ethanol alternative. I think Brazil is having a better time with their sugar cane based fuel.<br />
-kate</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris -- you speak the truth here.  It's going to be bad.  But what's more immediate is the meltdown in the financial industry.  Don't buy a house right now =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8212; you speak the truth here.  It&#8217;s going to be bad.  But what&#8217;s more immediate is the meltdown in the financial industry.  Don&#8217;t buy a house right now =)</p>
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		<title>By: kate b</title>
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		<dc:creator>kate b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi chris,

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/opinion/13friedman.html?_r=1&#38;em&#38;oref=slogin  if anyone is registered with NYT, they shdn't have a problem with the link.  A few excerpts to help clarify:

"It was only five days earlier, on July 30, that the Senate was voting for the eighth time in the past year on a broad, vitally important bill — S. 3335 — that would have extended the investment tax credits for installing solar energy and the production tax credits for building wind turbines and other energy-efficiency systems."  This is due to expire in December and according to Friedman, McCain wasn't present to vote for them (8 times it was presented at Senate for voting) including the one time he was in his senate office and didn't bother going to vote). 

McCain favors nuclear energy over other alternatives and Friedman notes that Obama was there three times to vote in favor of solar and wind credits. And that he wasn't there on July 30 to vote. 

Friedman spoke with a man (and quoted him) from the Stella Group, a group that tracks clean tech legislation in Senate. I haven't looked them up on the website yet..  hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi chris,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/opinion/13friedman.html?_r=1&amp;em&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08.....ref=slogin</a>  if anyone is registered with NYT, they shdn&#8217;t have a problem with the link.  A few excerpts to help clarify:</p>
<p>&#8220;It was only five days earlier, on July 30, that the Senate was voting for the eighth time in the past year on a broad, vitally important bill — S. 3335 — that would have extended the investment tax credits for installing solar energy and the production tax credits for building wind turbines and other energy-efficiency systems.&#8221;  This is due to expire in December and according to Friedman, McCain wasn&#8217;t present to vote for them (8 times it was presented at Senate for voting) including the one time he was in his senate office and didn&#8217;t bother going to vote). </p>
<p>McCain favors nuclear energy over other alternatives and Friedman notes that Obama was there three times to vote in favor of solar and wind credits. And that he wasn&#8217;t there on July 30 to vote. </p>
<p>Friedman spoke with a man (and quoted him) from the Stella Group, a group that tracks clean tech legislation in Senate. I haven&#8217;t looked them up on the website yet..  hope this helps.</p>
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