Comments on: The Amendment to the Amendment of the Amendment! http://www.deafdc.com/blog/chris-heuer/2008-04-13/the-amendment-to-the-amendment-of-the-amendment/ Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:38:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Titus Groan http://www.deafdc.com/blog/chris-heuer/2008-04-13/the-amendment-to-the-amendment-of-the-amendment/#comment-97071 Titus Groan Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:52:25 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/chris-heuer/2008-04-13/the-amendment-to-the-amendment-of-the-amendment/#comment-97071 You simply haven't lived until you've sat down and fired someone face to face. Of course, you use euphemisms like "finding something else to do." And, above all else, document, document, and document the person's failings and the reason for the firing. Based on that, HR will be happy with you, and you'll be marked for further promotion as a manager. If you've been fired, my condolences. You simply haven’t lived until you’ve sat down and fired someone face to face. Of course, you use euphemisms like “finding something else to do.” And, above all else, document, document, and document the person’s failings and the reason for the firing. Based on that, HR will be happy with you, and you’ll be marked for further promotion as a manager.

If you’ve been fired, my condolences.

]]> By: Shane http://www.deafdc.com/blog/chris-heuer/2008-04-13/the-amendment-to-the-amendment-of-the-amendment/#comment-97048 Shane Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:57:21 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/chris-heuer/2008-04-13/the-amendment-to-the-amendment-of-the-amendment/#comment-97048 You cannot amend an amendment to the third degree. This has caused plenty of headaches at meetings I've attended as well. When that happens here's what you can do... Go to: http://www.rulesonline.com/start.html#rror-03.htm Click on "Subsidiary Motions - Art. V" then scroll down to #33. <blockquote> When a motion or resolution is under consideration only one amendment of the first degree is permitted at a time, and one amendment of that amendment -- that is, an amendment of the second degree is allowed also. An amendment of the third degree would be too complicated and is not in order.1 Instead of making it, a member may say that if the amendment of the amendment is voted down, he will offer such and such an amendment of the amendment. While there can be only one amendment of each degree pending at the same time, any number of them may be offered in succession. An amendment must be germane2 to the subject to be amended -- that is, it must relate to it, as shown further on. So an amendment to an amendment must be germane to the latter. </blockquote> Footnotes 1 and 2 state: <blockquote> 1. A substitute may be reported by a committee while amendments of the first and second degree are pending as shown in 54(4)(e). In Congress it has been found best to allow a substitute and an amendment thereto while two amendments are pending. The House rule as to amendments is as follows: "When a motion or proposition is under consideration a motion to amend and a motion to amend that amendment shall be in order, and it shall also be in order to offer a further amendment by way of substitute, to which one amendment may be offered, but which shall not be voted on until the original matter is perfected; but either may be withdrawn before amendment or decision is had thereon. Amendments to the title of a bill or resolution shall not be in order until after its passage, and shall be decided without debate." H. R. Rule 19. 2. "... No motion or proposition on a subject different from that under consideration shall be admitted under color of amendment." H. R. Rule 16, §7. </blockquote> Copy this to WHAP anyone who tries to sidestep RRO rules, out of order! You cannot amend an amendment to the third degree. This has caused plenty of headaches at meetings I’ve attended as well. When that happens here’s what you can do…

Go to:
http://www.rulesonline.com/start.html#rror-03.htm

Click on “Subsidiary Motions - Art. V” then scroll down to #33.

When a motion or resolution is under consideration only one amendment of the first degree is permitted at a time, and one amendment of that amendment — that is, an amendment of the second degree is allowed also. An amendment of the third degree would be too complicated and is not in order.1 Instead of making it, a member may say that if the amendment of the amendment is voted down, he will offer such and such an amendment of the amendment. While there can be only one amendment of each degree pending at the same time, any number of them may be offered in succession. An amendment must be germane2 to the subject to be amended — that is, it must relate to it, as shown further on. So an amendment to an amendment must be germane to the latter.

Footnotes 1 and 2 state:

1. A substitute may be reported by a committee while amendments of the first and second degree are pending as shown in 54(4)(e). In Congress it has been found best to allow a substitute and an amendment thereto while two amendments are pending. The House rule as to amendments is as follows: “When a motion or proposition is under consideration a motion to amend and a motion to amend that amendment shall be in order, and it shall also be in order to offer a further amendment by way of substitute, to which one amendment may be offered, but which shall not be voted on until the original matter is perfected; but either may be withdrawn before amendment or decision is had thereon. Amendments to the title of a bill or resolution shall not be in order until after its passage, and shall be decided without debate.” H. R. Rule 19.

2. “… No motion or proposition on a subject different from that under consideration shall be admitted under color of amendment.” H. R. Rule 16, §7.

Copy this to WHAP anyone who tries to sidestep RRO rules, out of order!

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