Comments on: Sign Language in the New York Mercantile Exchange http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/ Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:46:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Elle http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-97114 Elle Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:35:49 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-97114 Anything that communicates is considered language... there is the language of the body, speech, non-verbal and so on. Just about all mammals have some sort of language. Geez lighten up... Anything that communicates is considered language… there is the language of the body, speech, non-verbal and so on. Just about all mammals have some sort of language. Geez lighten up…

]]> By: Bobby Cox http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-96973 Bobby Cox Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:26:04 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-96973 Correct; thanks for pointing that out politely Adam. I didn't mean sign language in the context of a complete, actual language unto itself. It's a little bit of splitting hairs, because even hand gestures count as language. But in the interest of being 100% accurate, hand gestures are perhaps a better way to describe it. Correct; thanks for pointing that out politely Adam. I didn’t mean sign language in the context of a complete, actual language unto itself. It’s a little bit of splitting hairs, because even hand gestures count as language. But in the interest of being 100% accurate, hand gestures are perhaps a better way to describe it.

]]> By: Adam Stone http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-96962 Adam Stone Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:58:19 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-96962 The commenters here do have a point. If you take "sign language" to be an actual language, then yeah, the NYME signs aren't sign language any more than <a href="http://waterski.about.com/od/tipstricks/qt/hand_signals.htm" rel="nofollow">these are signs</a>. Like we talked about last week, language politics is quite a powerful thing...! Still, thanks for sharing. I especially liked NYT's approach to the Flash interface..swoosh swoosh sideways swoosh. The commenters here do have a point. If you take “sign language” to be an actual language, then yeah, the NYME signs aren’t sign language any more than these are signs.

Like we talked about last week, language politics is quite a powerful thing…!

Still, thanks for sharing. I especially liked NYT’s approach to the Flash interface..swoosh swoosh sideways swoosh.

]]> By: RLM http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-96955 RLM Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:50:33 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-96955 WAD have a good point why you, Bobby, write about many hearing people in the society at large like the baseball umpire(s) use sign language, not "hand signals". Stock traders and other "service-related" providers simply use "hand signals" which really have nothing to do with the concept or linguistic structure of sign language,ex. ASL. Scuba divers do use the hand signals for underwater communication , too. E and Bobby, I laughed pretty hard after reading about Carl Schroeder attempted to teach his newfound dog some ASL. How true! I never thought about it. More like the command signs than using the sign language. What about some dogs being not really visually-oriented for deaf people to teach them basic command signs? If some dogs happened to be the recarnination of oralist or AgBAD member from their past lives? How can we expect dogs to understand our command signs. Just a thought! Robert L. Mason (RLM) WAD have a good point why you, Bobby, write about many hearing people in the society at large like the baseball umpire(s) use sign language, not “hand signals”.

Stock traders and other “service-related” providers simply use “hand signals” which really have nothing to do with the concept or linguistic structure of sign language,ex. ASL.

Scuba divers do use the hand signals for underwater communication , too.

E and Bobby, I laughed pretty hard after reading about Carl Schroeder attempted to teach his newfound dog some ASL. How true! I never thought about it.

More like the command signs than using the sign language. What about some dogs being not really visually-oriented for deaf people to teach them basic command signs? If some dogs happened to be the recarnination of oralist or AgBAD member from their past lives? How can we expect dogs to understand our command signs. Just a thought!

Robert L. Mason (RLM)

]]> By: Marylander http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-96936 Marylander Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:32:13 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-96936 Airport workers do this too. So does bus helper. Or anyone in trade. Football players liek the QB and defense middle linebacker will use audio in helmet. Airport workers do this too. So does bus helper. Or anyone in trade. Football players liek the QB and defense middle linebacker will use audio in helmet.

]]> By: WAD http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-96931 WAD Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:15:14 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-96931 Bobby, explain why you use "sign language" instead of "hand signals?" Bobby, explain why you use “sign language” instead of “hand signals?”

]]> By: E http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-96930 E Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:11:47 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-96930 Neither voice or signs are languages in and of themselves. For you to conclude from my being peevish that I'm anti-ASL is presumptuous at best. I'm just saying that what you linked to is not a language. It is a system. You can teach dogs a system of commands, but you cannot teach him language, spoken or signed, for chrissakes. Neither voice or signs are languages in and of themselves.

For you to conclude from my being peevish that I’m anti-ASL is presumptuous at best. I’m just saying that what you linked to is not a language. It is a system.

You can teach dogs a system of commands, but you cannot teach him language, spoken or signed, for chrissakes.

]]> By: Bobby Cox http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-96929 Bobby Cox Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:59:38 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-96929 E -- I agree and disagree with your amusement of Carl. After all, we can teach a dog with voice as well -- its the same principle. Teaching a dog to obey sign language vs obey spoken commands -- same thing. Mmm. I think perhaps what it "says about deaf people" is in our heads? E — I agree and disagree with your amusement of Carl. After all, we can teach a dog with voice as well — its the same principle. Teaching a dog to obey sign language vs obey spoken commands — same thing. Mmm. I think perhaps what it “says about deaf people” is in our heads?

]]> By: E http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-96926 E Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:35:48 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2008-04-07/sign-language-in-the-new-york-mercantile-exchange/#comment-96926 Maybe I am more peevish than most, but I am somewhat annoyed that this is called a signed language. It is not a language. It is just a primitive system of symbols or signs. On the same tangent, I am amused when vloggers like Carl Schroeder say that he's teaching his dog 'sign language.' By saying that, he's contradicting his lifelong purpose of ASL advocacy. If dogs are capable of learning a 'sign language,' what does that say about Deaf people? Maybe I am more peevish than most, but I am somewhat annoyed that this is called a signed language. It is not a language. It is just a primitive system of symbols or signs.

On the same tangent, I am amused when vloggers like Carl Schroeder say that he’s teaching his dog ’sign language.’ By saying that, he’s contradicting his lifelong purpose of ASL advocacy. If dogs are capable of learning a ’sign language,’ what does that say about Deaf people?

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