Comments on: Was the 2004 Election Stolen? Rolling Stone Article. http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/ Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:33:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: fred http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-11741 fred Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:09:04 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-11741 please guys, for your own sakes. for your own well being. read all of the following: http://www.mysterypollster.com/main/2006/06/is_rfk_jr_right.html pls read all 4 parts. there is some math, but keep plugging away, ok. and stop trying to concoct fantasies in your head and then living inside them. pls look at and grasp the real world, and try to change that. you'll never succeed if you cant even grasp what the real problems are (with the dems), and continue to listen to kooks like kennedy who dumbs you down with junk science, junk statistical sampling psyco-babble, and out right fanatsy. pls guys. you're better than he thinks. smarter. show him. please guys, for your own sakes. for your own well being. read all of the following:

http://www.mysterypollster.com.....right.html

pls read all 4 parts. there is some math, but keep plugging away, ok. and stop trying to concoct fantasies in your head and then living inside them. pls look at and grasp the real world, and try to change that. you’ll never succeed if you cant even grasp what the real problems are (with the dems), and continue to listen to kooks like kennedy who dumbs you down with junk science, junk statistical sampling psyco-babble, and out right fanatsy. pls guys. you’re better than he thinks. smarter. show him.

]]> By: MKULTRA http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-8256 MKULTRA Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:43:12 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-8256 It does not take a genius to know that there is something going on. How could the republicans have such a stronghold on government affairs when their own ideals and morals are suspect? This is a story that never got the chance to be published in mainstream media channels. It is a long read, but reveals conspiracies way way up in the yazoo. A staged suicide, "lost" crime scene photos, a call from a top official in Florida to stop the investigation, oppression of justice, etc... (The "lost" crime scene photos appear in the below link. It is somewhat legal because the police claimed that it was lost, so the photos are not bound by law enforcement protocols). NOTE: I must warn you that there are rather graphic photos. Search for "Lemme" to find the article http://www.insider-magazine.com/unrestricted_warfare.htm It does not take a genius to know that there is something going on. How could the republicans have such a stronghold on government affairs when their own ideals and morals are suspect?
This is a story that never got the chance to be published in mainstream media channels. It is a long read, but reveals conspiracies way way up in the yazoo.
A staged suicide, “lost” crime scene photos, a call from a top official in Florida to stop the investigation, oppression of justice, etc…
(The “lost” crime scene photos appear in the below link. It is somewhat legal because the police claimed that it was lost, so the photos are not bound by law enforcement protocols).

NOTE: I must warn you that there are rather graphic photos. Search for “Lemme” to find the article

http://www.insider-magazine.co.....arfare.htm

]]> By: Tom Ellis http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-6509 Tom Ellis Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:01:00 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-6509 Alas, another ad hominem attack from a Repub who hasn't read the article, and continues to confuse RFK Jr. with his uncle. This can be easily ignored. Alas, another ad hominem attack from a Repub who hasn’t read the article, and continues to confuse RFK Jr. with his uncle. This can be easily ignored.

]]> By: Boult http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-5814 Boult Tue, 06 Jun 2006 00:06:18 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-5814 see this link; http://www.boingboing.net/2006/06/01/rolling_stone_on_the.html see this link;
http://www.boingboing.net/2006.....n_the.html

]]> By: Boult http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-5813 Boult Tue, 06 Jun 2006 00:04:29 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-5813 NPR and Mother Jones came out before the RS article came out so don't think they debunked the Kennedy JR article right afterward. OK? NPR and Mother Jones came out before the RS article came out so don’t think they debunked the Kennedy JR article right afterward. OK?

]]> By: mcconnell http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-5784 mcconnell Mon, 05 Jun 2006 18:07:10 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-5784 That's an opinion, not a fact (re: manipulation of election data). Again, he IS saying that exit polls are accurate. You just said so yourself by citing the "pattern of errors" as the source of accuracy as what RFK is alluding to. E/M report says: "There were 26 states in which the estimates produced by the exit poll data overstated the vote for John Kerry by more than one standard error, and there were four states in which the exit poll estimates overstated the vote for George W. Bush by more than one standard error." Now, if you say what's true about the "fishy" exit polling results, then we should be focusing on John Kerry exit polling results!! That’s an opinion, not a fact (re: manipulation of election data). Again, he IS saying that exit polls are accurate. You just said so yourself by citing the “pattern of errors” as the source of accuracy as what RFK is alluding to.

E/M report says:

“There were 26 states in which the estimates produced by the exit poll data overstated the vote for John Kerry by more than one standard error, and there were four states in which the exit poll estimates overstated the vote for George W. Bush by more than one standard error.”

Now, if you say what’s true about the “fishy” exit polling results, then we should be focusing on John Kerry exit polling results!!

]]> By: Bobby Cox http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-5780 Bobby Cox Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:20:39 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-5780 Thanks for the other perspectives. Can you also provide the NPR and Mother Jones links as well (if applicable). Like with anything in life, there are always risks for beliving a perspective. Perhaps I bought Kennedy's spiel hook, line, and sinker... and if he's been debunked, then so be it! Debate is good. Thanks for the other perspectives. Can you also provide the NPR and Mother Jones links as well (if applicable).

Like with anything in life, there are always risks for beliving a perspective. Perhaps I bought Kennedy’s spiel hook, line, and sinker… and if he’s been debunked, then so be it!

Debate is good.

]]> By: flyingduck http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-5778 flyingduck Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:17:24 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-5778 Here's another liberal website (salon.com) saying that Robert Kennedy, Jr. is full of it. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/06/03/kennedy/index.html What you choose to believe says a lot about who you are, apparently. He has also been debunked on NPR and Mother Jones. Not exactly right-wing media organizations. This is not the first time Bobby Kennedy, Jr. has been caught with his pants down fabricating, distorting, and outright lying about whatever he writes about, the environment or the 2004 election. Here’s another liberal website (salon.com) saying that Robert Kennedy, Jr. is full of it.

http://www.salon.com/news/feat.....index.html

What you choose to believe says a lot about who you are, apparently.

He has also been debunked on NPR and Mother Jones. Not exactly right-wing media organizations.

This is not the first time Bobby Kennedy, Jr. has been caught with his pants down fabricating, distorting, and outright lying about whatever he writes about, the environment or the 2004 election.

]]> By: Bobby Cox http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-5773 Bobby Cox Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:08:55 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-5773 Ah, but he is not saying that exit polls are accurate to predict an election. The PATTERN of errors in the exit polls is the interesting part here. Exit polls consistently and statistically were skewed, across the United States. As you said "multiple variables come into play that can easily disrupt the prediction." The disruption here (as said by the article) is the Bush-supporters' manipulation of election data. Ah, but he is not saying that exit polls are accurate to predict an election. The PATTERN of errors in the exit polls is the interesting part here. Exit polls consistently and statistically were skewed, across the United States.

As you said “multiple variables come into play that can easily disrupt the prediction.” The disruption here (as said by the article) is the Bush-supporters’ manipulation of election data.

]]> By: mcconnell http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-5772 mcconnell Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:49:29 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/bobby-cox/2006-06-02/was-the-2004-election-stolen-rolling-stone-article/#comment-5772 Can someone please tell me how exit polls have become accurate enough to predict the voting outcome when multiple variables come into play that can easily disrupt the prediction? There are many reasons why exit polls will not match voters turnout as reported in the Edison/Mitofsky Election System 2004 report prepared by the Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International. It's the same report that RFK Jr. alluded to in his article praising Edison/Mitofsky exit polling results in Mexico and elsewhere but never mentioned in the E/M report that provided a caveat about exit polling results. There's more I can add but it's long. Go here. http://tinyurl.com/znttb All I can say is that RFK's exit polling musing is all wet. Can someone please tell me how exit polls have become accurate enough to predict the voting outcome when multiple variables come into play that can easily disrupt the prediction?

There are many reasons why exit polls will not match voters turnout as reported in the Edison/Mitofsky Election System 2004 report prepared by the Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International. It’s the same report that RFK Jr. alluded to in his article praising Edison/Mitofsky exit polling results in Mexico and elsewhere but never mentioned in the E/M report that provided a caveat about exit polling results.
There’s more I can add but it’s long. Go here.
http://tinyurl.com/znttb

All I can say is that RFK’s exit polling musing is all wet.

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