Comments on: Equal Access Suit with Redskins Continues http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/ Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:24:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Allison Kaftan http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87266 Allison Kaftan Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:07:15 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87266 The Curly R, a Redskins Blog, caught wind of this issue and has an interesting outsider take: http://curlyr.blogspot.com/2007/08/dan-snyders-vision-failing-deaf.html The Curly R, a Redskins Blog, caught wind of this issue and has an interesting outsider take:

http://curlyr.blogspot.com/200.....-deaf.html

]]> By: Katherine http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87108 Katherine Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:21:56 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87108 Calling it St. Joe's was unheard of, at least in my days. St. Joseph is what everyone label it as. There's more than 4 deaf schools you have already mentioned. There's Cleary, Mill Neck, PS 47 American Sign Language -- formerly known as PS 47 School for the Deaf where they cater only to deaf students. Cleary, St. Francis and St. Joseph only serve deaf students up to 8th grade from the infant program and/or pre-k. On the other hand, Fanwood, Lexington and Mill Neck are available throughout the high school years. Some students from Cleary continue at Mill Neck or East Islip High School. Those from St. Francis either transfer to Fanwood, Lexington, Mill Neck (only residents of Queens or LI) or Murrow HS. As for St. Joseph, they usually go to Fanwood, Lexington or a mainstreamed program. NY State has 11 deaf schools altogether with 3 in the upstate area. People have discussed about imagining all 7 deaf schools merge with about 150-200 or more students in each school. We'll have the largest deaf school nationally as well as form one of the strongest academic and athletics programs. It would be one great way to bring visibility to the deaf population. The problem is no alumni or schools want to give up :) Calling it St. Joe’s was unheard of, at least in my days. St. Joseph is what everyone label it as. There’s more than 4 deaf schools you have already mentioned. There’s Cleary, Mill Neck, PS 47 American Sign Language — formerly known as PS 47 School for the Deaf where they cater only to deaf students.

Cleary, St. Francis and St. Joseph only serve deaf students up to 8th grade from the infant program and/or pre-k. On the other hand, Fanwood, Lexington and Mill Neck are available throughout the high school years. Some students from Cleary continue at Mill Neck or East Islip High School. Those from St. Francis either transfer to Fanwood, Lexington, Mill Neck (only residents of Queens or LI) or Murrow HS. As for St. Joseph, they usually go to Fanwood, Lexington or a mainstreamed program.

NY State has 11 deaf schools altogether with 3 in the upstate area. People have discussed about imagining all 7 deaf schools merge with about 150-200 or more students in each school. We’ll have the largest deaf school nationally as well as form one of the strongest academic and athletics programs. It would be one great way to bring visibility to the deaf population. The problem is no alumni or schools want to give up :)

]]> By: DeafSpook http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87105 DeafSpook Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:07:10 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87105 The genesis of many great movements started with one person. You're already on your way with thrice as many. Duplication will help prevail. The genesis of many great movements started with one person. You’re already on your way with thrice as many. Duplication will help prevail.

]]> By: DeafSpook http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87104 DeafSpook Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:49:28 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87104 Kendall Demonstration Elementary School, another mouthful of a name, is in a way paying the price of not including "Deaf" in its name. Naming is not consistent with Model Secondary School for the Deaf. Actually, I wished Gallaudet added "for the Deaf" or "of the Deaf" to Kendall School. At the same time isn't it ironic Gallaudet (dependent on deaf school survival among others) is not "Gallaudet University of/for the Deaf" (what a hijack). I received an issue of Deaf Life with Kendall School as the cover story. Some very entertaining reading! Kendall Demonstration Elementary School, another mouthful of a name, is in a way paying the price of not including “Deaf” in its name. Naming is not consistent with Model Secondary School for the Deaf. Actually, I wished Gallaudet added “for the Deaf” or “of the Deaf” to Kendall School. At the same time isn’t it ironic Gallaudet (dependent on deaf school survival among others) is not “Gallaudet University of/for the Deaf” (what a hijack). I received an issue of Deaf Life with Kendall School as the cover story. Some very entertaining reading!

]]> By: Michele Ketcham http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87103 Michele Ketcham Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:10:42 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87103 I know your question was directed for Deaf Spook, but I'll put in my 2 cents' worth anyway. PS 47 in New York City started accepting hearing students several years ago when they thought the number of deaf students got "too small". Result? Hearing students now outnumber deaf students at PS 47. Although the website for PS 47 makes it all sound hunky-dory and beautiful, I do wonder if Deaf people can truly keep their cultural power base in such an environment. For that reason, I'm opposed to the idea of any school for the deaf accepting hearing students. It's asking for trouble. Besides, what's wrong with going SMALL and focusing on giving the best education possible to Deaf students? Going smaller means tighter focus and when that happens, quality goes up. Spread your resources too thin, quality goes down. I know your question was directed for Deaf Spook, but I’ll put in my 2 cents’ worth anyway.

PS 47 in New York City started accepting hearing students several years ago when they thought the number of deaf students got “too small”. Result? Hearing students now outnumber deaf students at PS 47. Although the website for PS 47 makes it all sound hunky-dory and beautiful, I do wonder if Deaf people can truly keep their cultural power base in such an environment.

For that reason, I’m opposed to the idea of any school for the deaf accepting hearing students. It’s asking for trouble.

Besides, what’s wrong with going SMALL and focusing on giving the best education possible to Deaf students? Going smaller means tighter focus and when that happens, quality goes up. Spread your resources too thin, quality goes down.

]]> By: Chris Kaftan http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87102 Chris Kaftan Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:03:45 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87102 DeafSpook: I like what you're saying here about the deaf student demographics. This could be an entire blog in itself. As for the increased visibility in boycotting -- good point. Why not? I don't know. I'm guessing because it's small (3 plaintiffs), or it hasn't generated enough momentum yet. I know of at least four other Deaf season ticket holders who aren't on the suit. Are they aware of the suit, or are they not interested? Hmm... food for thought. DeafSpook:

I like what you’re saying here about the deaf student demographics. This could be an entire blog in itself.

As for the increased visibility in boycotting — good point. Why not? I don’t know. I’m guessing because it’s small (3 plaintiffs), or it hasn’t generated enough momentum yet. I know of at least four other Deaf season ticket holders who aren’t on the suit. Are they aware of the suit, or are they not interested? Hmm… food for thought.

]]> By: Michele Ketcham http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87101 Michele Ketcham Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:02:18 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87101 Scott Van Nice started that thread...look up and you'll see the whole chain of responses. Scott Van Nice started that thread…look up and you’ll see the whole chain of responses.

]]> By: Chris Kaftan http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87100 Chris Kaftan Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:00:47 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87100 DeafSpook: I'm curious to think about your views on Kendall's proposed plan to also include hearing students in the first through third grade classes. This is similar to MSD's proposal, is it not? DeafSpook:

I’m curious to think about your views on Kendall’s proposed plan to also include hearing students in the first through third grade classes. This is similar to MSD’s proposal, is it not?

]]> By: Chris Kaftan http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87099 Chris Kaftan Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:59:23 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87099 MoCo: MSD-C is not only a day program. It still has a dormitory serving 30 students (15 of both genders). They have a full set of support staff that MSD-F has, from teachers to school counselors. MoCo: MSD-C is not only a day program. It still has a dormitory serving 30 students (15 of both genders).

They have a full set of support staff that MSD-F has, from teachers to school counselors.

]]> By: DeafSpook http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87098 DeafSpook Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:07:26 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-08-20/equal-access-suit-with-redskins-continues/#comment-87098 Similarly hijacked (read all 45 comments!) portions of this thread didn't get this question, "why don't you ask what the heck does this have to do with the lawsuit against the Redskins?" Double standard. Anyway, just to appease your psyche, I ask some of you a question. Why aren't concerned parties boycotting everything associated with the Redskins? Boycotting all their products, services, advertisers, sponsors, FedEx and what not? I'm not a party to the lawsuit but why isn't there a movement so visible such as picketing? Similarly hijacked (read all 45 comments!) portions of this thread didn’t get this question, “why don’t you ask what the heck does this have to do with the lawsuit against the Redskins?”

Double standard.

Anyway, just to appease your psyche, I ask some of you a question. Why aren’t concerned parties boycotting everything associated with the Redskins? Boycotting all their products, services, advertisers, sponsors, FedEx and what not? I’m not a party to the lawsuit but why isn’t there a movement so visible such as picketing?

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