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	<title>Comments on: Silent Hands Sculpt Epitome of Beauty&#8230; Not.</title>
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		<title>By: amanda</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-03-22/silent-hands-sculpt-epitome-of-beauty-not/#comment-82052</link>
		<dc:creator>amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely agree with the sentiment expressed here -- the comparison to gerard is perfect. i grimace whenever professors oo and awe over interpreters, and i feel like often the response to interpreters is to treat them like volunteers doing social work. i think this is bad both for us, the client, and for the interpreter as a worker (the fact that they need breaks, etc tends to be overlooked when theyre treated as volunteers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree with the sentiment expressed here &#8212; the comparison to gerard is perfect. i grimace whenever professors oo and awe over interpreters, and i feel like often the response to interpreters is to treat them like volunteers doing social work. i think this is bad both for us, the client, and for the interpreter as a worker (the fact that they need breaks, etc tends to be overlooked when theyre treated as volunteers).</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia L. Beach</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-03-22/silent-hands-sculpt-epitome-of-beauty-not/#comment-81485</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginia L. Beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-03-22/silent-hands-sculpt-epitome-of-beauty-not/#comment-81485</guid>
		<description>I'd like, if I may, to take a moment to respond to this comment.

I know birch personally - she's one of my spiritual students and colleagues. She's a hearing individual with a big heart and a true desire to try and understand the Deaf Community.

Birch has a learning disability that hinders her ability to read and write effectively. Actually she reads pretty well, but when it comes to trying to write, as she says herself...her spelling leaves something to be desired. 

It's not her fault...unfortunately she was never diagnosed properly as a child and thus didn't get the educational help she needed. Now she's an adult who struggles with the consequences of not receiving that vital support during her early years. 

Certainly she is not stupid - she's actually a rather intelligent woman with a great sense of humor and a wisdom and insight that I've come to rely on. Like I said, she has a warm heart and is always there to help out when I need it.

I think we can appreciate Birch's struggles, because we've seen similar struggles in the Deaf Community. We have all heard the horror stories about deaf children who were misdiagnosed and thrown into MR classrooms. We all know what happens when deaf children don't get effective education and proper language development. 

I applaud Birch for having the guts to come over here and leave a comment - I'm always trying to encourage her to share her thoughts and views, and she's always a bit nervous about doing so because she doesn't want people to see her as being "stupid." (How many times have we all dealt with similar attitudes from the world around us?) 

Welcome to the Deaf Community, Birch. Yes, sometimes it can seem intimidating to a hearing outsider who is trying to figure out and understand what the heck we are talking about. 

As for learning ASL, don't be afraid - yes, it can be a challenge and you do have to make a commitment, study carefully and practice often. But I think you can learn it. And since it's not a written language and you'll be learning signs to express concepts, nobody can bitch about your lousy spelling!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like, if I may, to take a moment to respond to this comment.</p>
<p>I know birch personally - she&#8217;s one of my spiritual students and colleagues. She&#8217;s a hearing individual with a big heart and a true desire to try and understand the Deaf Community.</p>
<p>Birch has a learning disability that hinders her ability to read and write effectively. Actually she reads pretty well, but when it comes to trying to write, as she says herself&#8230;her spelling leaves something to be desired. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not her fault&#8230;unfortunately she was never diagnosed properly as a child and thus didn&#8217;t get the educational help she needed. Now she&#8217;s an adult who struggles with the consequences of not receiving that vital support during her early years. </p>
<p>Certainly she is not stupid - she&#8217;s actually a rather intelligent woman with a great sense of humor and a wisdom and insight that I&#8217;ve come to rely on. Like I said, she has a warm heart and is always there to help out when I need it.</p>
<p>I think we can appreciate Birch&#8217;s struggles, because we&#8217;ve seen similar struggles in the Deaf Community. We have all heard the horror stories about deaf children who were misdiagnosed and thrown into MR classrooms. We all know what happens when deaf children don&#8217;t get effective education and proper language development. </p>
<p>I applaud Birch for having the guts to come over here and leave a comment - I&#8217;m always trying to encourage her to share her thoughts and views, and she&#8217;s always a bit nervous about doing so because she doesn&#8217;t want people to see her as being &#8220;stupid.&#8221; (How many times have we all dealt with similar attitudes from the world around us?) </p>
<p>Welcome to the Deaf Community, Birch. Yes, sometimes it can seem intimidating to a hearing outsider who is trying to figure out and understand what the heck we are talking about. </p>
<p>As for learning ASL, don&#8217;t be afraid - yes, it can be a challenge and you do have to make a commitment, study carefully and practice often. But I think you can learn it. And since it&#8217;s not a written language and you&#8217;ll be learning signs to express concepts, nobody can bitch about your lousy spelling!</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-03-22/silent-hands-sculpt-epitome-of-beauty-not/#comment-81476</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-03-22/silent-hands-sculpt-epitome-of-beauty-not/#comment-81476</guid>
		<description>I do know that your blog is not at all about interpreters or hearing signers. 

It is just that I want to point out that some of them are enablers that does the deaf community harm. They do contribute to this when they do nothing to correct it or let deaf people correct it. It takes two to tango, so these clueless people are not entirely to blame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do know that your blog is not at all about interpreters or hearing signers. </p>
<p>It is just that I want to point out that some of them are enablers that does the deaf community harm. They do contribute to this when they do nothing to correct it or let deaf people correct it. It takes two to tango, so these clueless people are not entirely to blame.</p>
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		<title>By: Allison Kaftan</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-03-22/silent-hands-sculpt-epitome-of-beauty-not/#comment-81474</link>
		<dc:creator>Allison Kaftan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-03-22/silent-hands-sculpt-epitome-of-beauty-not/#comment-81474</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the kind words.  While my blog is actually not at all about interpreters or hearing signers, I like the way you describe the "God complex."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words.  While my blog is actually not at all about interpreters or hearing signers, I like the way you describe the &#8220;God complex.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-03-22/silent-hands-sculpt-epitome-of-beauty-not/#comment-81473</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-03-22/silent-hands-sculpt-epitome-of-beauty-not/#comment-81473</guid>
		<description>I love everything you wrote and I thank you for sharing this incredibly expressed blog that needs to be heard.

I've always found it patronizing when interpreters are applauded while deaf people are left in the dark nor even acknowledged. Rarely do they bother taking advantage of the interpreter's existence to get to know deaf people and unfortunately, sometimes interpreters promote that. I had to chuckle when reading you say about rolling your eyes. Who can blame you for that?

It's not only about interpreters but also hearing teachers, staff or whoever work with deaf children and people when little or no recognizance goes to deaf teachers, staff, workers and the likes who have enormous impact. What these hearing people do the same is taking credit that's not rightfully theirs.

Little do these people realize many of them aren't fluent in ASL to begin with or even come close to the skills of many deaf members. So, these hearing people, who are clueless, see these hearing people who can sign as "God" who are here as our saviors. Oh please! 

I have less respect for some of those hearing people, who can sign and are in the Deaf community, for enabling those clueless hearing people than the clueless hearing people themselves. These enablers are what keeps deaf people from moving forward and change society's perceptions.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love everything you wrote and I thank you for sharing this incredibly expressed blog that needs to be heard.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always found it patronizing when interpreters are applauded while deaf people are left in the dark nor even acknowledged. Rarely do they bother taking advantage of the interpreter&#8217;s existence to get to know deaf people and unfortunately, sometimes interpreters promote that. I had to chuckle when reading you say about rolling your eyes. Who can blame you for that?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not only about interpreters but also hearing teachers, staff or whoever work with deaf children and people when little or no recognizance goes to deaf teachers, staff, workers and the likes who have enormous impact. What these hearing people do the same is taking credit that&#8217;s not rightfully theirs.</p>
<p>Little do these people realize many of them aren&#8217;t fluent in ASL to begin with or even come close to the skills of many deaf members. So, these hearing people, who are clueless, see these hearing people who can sign as &#8220;God&#8221; who are here as our saviors. Oh please! </p>
<p>I have less respect for some of those hearing people, who can sign and are in the Deaf community, for enabling those clueless hearing people than the clueless hearing people themselves. These enablers are what keeps deaf people from moving forward and change society&#8217;s perceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Janis</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-03-22/silent-hands-sculpt-epitome-of-beauty-not/#comment-81440</link>
		<dc:creator>Janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 04:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I know what you mean.  :-)  It's sort of "Some of my best friends are black," in a way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I know what you mean.  :-)  It&#8217;s sort of &#8220;Some of my best friends are black,&#8221; in a way.</p>
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		<title>By: wildstarryskies</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-03-22/silent-hands-sculpt-epitome-of-beauty-not/#comment-81377</link>
		<dc:creator>wildstarryskies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-03-22/silent-hands-sculpt-epitome-of-beauty-not/#comment-81377</guid>
		<description>Hmm, yes. I'm with ya. So when you heading down to the docks to buy the next hit? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, yes. I&#8217;m with ya. So when you heading down to the docks to buy the next hit? ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Aquafina</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-03-22/silent-hands-sculpt-epitome-of-beauty-not/#comment-81369</link>
		<dc:creator>Aquafina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I really hate it when hearing people, after talking with me for a while, exlaim to me "Oh you speak too well to be deaf" or even "I wouldn't have known you were deaf since you speak too well for a deaf person." It grates on me because it gets so "old" hearing that over and over -- and whats the big deal about my speaking so well? A lot tend to press me on how I got to speak so well. I just simply say "Therapy" and they get this quizzical look on their face "huh? Therapy?"  

All of this leads me to wonder what Vietnam or Iraq veterans who have lost their hearing would say to these same people who repeated what they said to me to them. I mean, whats the big deal with speaking so well? A lot of hearing folks don't realize how much work and effort we put into learning how to read lips and speak at the same time. It can be very draining on us at times. 

I agree with DianRez that I would prefer sign language over trying to read lips of those that speak a foreign language. Too much confusion can result from that. I believe that if I didn't learn ASL earlier, I would have been in deep doo-doo with foreign speakers at speaking events. I'd rather understand them through signs than trying to wing it by lip-reading them as I know I wouldn't enjoy or appreciate their speech otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I really hate it when hearing people, after talking with me for a while, exlaim to me &#8220;Oh you speak too well to be deaf&#8221; or even &#8220;I wouldn&#8217;t have known you were deaf since you speak too well for a deaf person.&#8221; It grates on me because it gets so &#8220;old&#8221; hearing that over and over &#8212; and whats the big deal about my speaking so well? A lot tend to press me on how I got to speak so well. I just simply say &#8220;Therapy&#8221; and they get this quizzical look on their face &#8220;huh? Therapy?&#8221;  </p>
<p>All of this leads me to wonder what Vietnam or Iraq veterans who have lost their hearing would say to these same people who repeated what they said to me to them. I mean, whats the big deal with speaking so well? A lot of hearing folks don&#8217;t realize how much work and effort we put into learning how to read lips and speak at the same time. It can be very draining on us at times. </p>
<p>I agree with DianRez that I would prefer sign language over trying to read lips of those that speak a foreign language. Too much confusion can result from that. I believe that if I didn&#8217;t learn ASL earlier, I would have been in deep doo-doo with foreign speakers at speaking events. I&#8217;d rather understand them through signs than trying to wing it by lip-reading them as I know I wouldn&#8217;t enjoy or appreciate their speech otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Signing from a Hearing Perspective &#171; Deaf Pagan Crossroads</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-03-22/silent-hands-sculpt-epitome-of-beauty-not/#comment-81366</link>
		<dc:creator>Signing from a Hearing Perspective &#171; Deaf Pagan Crossroads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-03-22/silent-hands-sculpt-epitome-of-beauty-not/#comment-81366</guid>
		<description>[...] Editor&#8217;s Note: Many thanks to Allison Kaftan, whose well-written and thought-provoking post over at DeafDC.com &#8220;Silent Hands Sculpt Epitome of Beauty&#8230;Not&#8221; ( http://www.deafdc.com/blog/?p=814 ) helped to initiate an interesting email exchange which led to the writing of Yvonne&#8217;s article. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Editor&#8217;s Note: Many thanks to Allison Kaftan, whose well-written and thought-provoking post over at DeafDC.com &#8220;Silent Hands Sculpt Epitome of Beauty&#8230;Not&#8221; ( <a href="http://www.deafdc.com/blog/?p=814" rel="nofollow">http://www.deafdc.com/blog/?p=814</a> ) helped to initiate an interesting email exchange which led to the writing of Yvonne&#8217;s article. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2007-03-22/silent-hands-sculpt-epitome-of-beauty-not/#comment-81365</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your point?</p>
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