Comments on: Here’s Some Catharsis on a Silver Platter http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/ Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:57:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Ben M. http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-28323 Ben M. Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:16:35 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-28323 and what about you? ive seen how u characterize the protesters in ur blog. u're marching lock-step with JKF's and her supporters' propaganda. Have YOU seen what's happening on campus with your eyes? Instead, you take some people's words at face value, just the thing you'd accuse me of. and what about you? ive seen how u characterize the protesters in ur blog. u’re marching lock-step with JKF’s and her supporters’ propaganda. Have YOU seen what’s happening on campus with your eyes? Instead, you take some people’s words at face value, just the thing you’d accuse me of.

]]> By: mcconnell http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-28322 mcconnell Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:15:55 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-28322 RLM, that was a civil rights issue then and this protest is not. Secondly, the DPN protest had the support of nearly all faculty, staff and students. Not this one. The DPN protest didn't take over HMB for *several* days or College Hall. There were vandalism in this protest but not during DPN. Threats of physical violence never happened. Students were never accosted by protesters demanding where they stand in DPN. Nobody threw items at Zinser, Spillman and so on. There were no factions going about their own way in doing what they want. DPN had stayed with their original demands. This protest did not. It went from 2 to 24 and now back to 2. This protest is against something rather for something like DPN did. Learn the difference, RLM. This protest is lacking any full support from everybody in campus community. RLM, that was a civil rights issue then and this protest is not. Secondly, the DPN protest had the support of nearly all faculty, staff and students. Not this one.

The DPN protest didn’t take over HMB for *several* days or College Hall. There were vandalism in this protest but not during DPN. Threats of physical violence never happened. Students were never accosted by protesters demanding where they stand in DPN. Nobody threw items at Zinser, Spillman and so on. There were no factions going about their own way in doing what they want. DPN had stayed with their original demands. This protest did not. It went from 2 to 24 and now back to 2. This protest is against something rather for something like DPN did.

Learn the difference, RLM. This protest is lacking any full support from everybody in campus community.

]]> By: mcconnell http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-28313 mcconnell Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:49:11 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-28313 Ben, show a little intellectual honesty here when you display that 82% figure to readers who do not know what's going on by explaining the total faculty members and the numbers who showed up to vote and the number of those who voted against JKF. Keep up with the propoganda work which is what you're doing. Ben, show a little intellectual honesty here when you display that 82% figure to readers who do not know what’s going on by explaining the total faculty members and the numbers who showed up to vote and the number of those who voted against JKF.

Keep up with the propoganda work which is what you’re doing.

]]> By: Ben M. http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-28105 Ben M. Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:39:39 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-28105 using ur reasoning, it can be said only 11% of the faculty actually voted against asking JKF to resign. using ur reasoning, it can be said only 11% of the faculty actually voted against asking JKF to resign.

]]> By: RLM http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-28096 RLM Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:18:22 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-28096 IKJ never objected when the Gally students lockdowned the entire campus during the DPN protests back in '88! One week closing of the Kendall (KDES) and MSSD schools during the DPN protest as compared to three days of inconvinence within the "Unity for Gallaudet" protest. IKJ is really a hyprocrite himself in many ways. Same thing to McConnell! Robert L. Mason (RLM) IKJ never objected when the Gally students lockdowned the entire campus during the DPN protests back in ‘88!

One week closing of the Kendall (KDES) and MSSD schools during the DPN protest as compared to three days of inconvinence within the “Unity for Gallaudet” protest.

IKJ is really a hyprocrite himself in many ways. Same thing to McConnell!

Robert L. Mason (RLM)

]]> By: mcconnell http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-27903 mcconnell Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:27:06 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-27903 Correction: "The total number of Senate faculty members, without a doubt, does not add up to 168. Correction: “The total number of Senate faculty members, without a doubt, does not add up to 168.

]]> By: mcconnell http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-27901 mcconnell Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:24:28 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-27901 Ben, it IS propaganda. propaganda - n : information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause. Know your vocabulary. What's being done here is the campaigning on carrying out a misleading propaganda by not divulging certain facts behind the 82% number. Not doing so will allow readers to think the vote came from the entire faculty campus, all 221 of them, that ended up with the 82% voting result. That's exactly what it sounds like when a person reads it. Therefore, misleading and calculated. This is the sort of thing that's being reported in the newspapers/internet with no further explaination behind the number. Total faculty: 221 - 100& Total who showed up to vote: 168 - 76% Total who voted against JKF: 138. - 62% or 82% among those who showed up to vote. And next, tell the readers out there on how many Senate members showed up at the meeting vote as well as the total number of faculty Senate members? The total Senate faculty number is, without a doubt, does not add up to 168. Ben, it IS propaganda.

propaganda - n : information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause.

Know your vocabulary.

What’s being done here is the campaigning on carrying out a misleading propaganda by not divulging certain facts behind the 82% number. Not doing so will allow readers to think the vote came from the entire faculty campus, all 221 of them, that ended up with the 82% voting result. That’s exactly what it sounds like when a person reads it. Therefore, misleading and calculated.

This is the sort of thing that’s being reported in the newspapers/internet with no further explaination behind the number.

Total faculty: 221 - 100&
Total who showed up to vote: 168 - 76%
Total who voted against JKF: 138. - 62% or 82% among those who showed up to vote.

And next, tell the readers out there on how many Senate members showed up at the meeting vote as well as the total number of faculty Senate members? The total Senate faculty number is, without a doubt, does not add up to 168.

]]> By: Ben M. http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-27791 Ben M. Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:39:58 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-27791 82% of those who went to the largest faculty senate meeting ever voted to pass the resolution, period. that isnt propaganda. deaf pundit- i understand where u're coming from. it'd be interesting to compare how "iron clad" the cases of the other american student protests were. 82% of those who went to the largest faculty senate meeting ever voted to pass the resolution, period. that isnt propaganda.

deaf pundit- i understand where u’re coming from. it’d be interesting to compare how “iron clad” the cases of the other american student protests were.

]]> By: mcconnell http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-27779 mcconnell Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:15:31 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-27779 Well, you ARE touting it as "82%" implying, to those who don't know better, as if it were all of the 221 faculty members who voted. What else would people think reading that sort of thing in the newspaper or internet? Ah, yes. Propaganda. Guess you're not so innocent after all. Well, you ARE touting it as “82%” implying, to those who don’t know better, as if it were all of the 221 faculty members who voted.

What else would people think reading that sort of thing in the newspaper or internet?

Ah, yes. Propaganda. Guess you’re not so innocent after all.

]]> By: Ben M. http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-27770 Ben M. Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:53:08 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-20/heres-some-catharsis-on-a-silver-platter/#comment-27770 actually, it was closer to 76% of the entire faculty who showed up. even if every absent member would have voted for JKF, the resolution would've have passed anyway. If you prefer to look at 138 people in a sinister light, as opposed to just one, more power to you. actually, it was closer to 76% of the entire faculty who showed up. even if every absent member would have voted for JKF, the resolution would’ve have passed anyway.

If you prefer to look at 138 people in a sinister light, as opposed to just one, more power to you.

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