Comments on: The Worst Thing to Come Out of This Mess http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/ Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:56:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: MomDad'sDeaf http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-26845 MomDad'sDeaf Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:58:47 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-26845 Why blame the media? The media just spins on a bunch of stories for ratings. Why spend time on nuances that most hearing people won't understand anyway? Are Jordan and Fernandes spinning BS about NDE? Yep, but they win when the opposition doesn't have a coherent message. A hearing friend asked me 'are they really against her because she didn't sign until she was 23?' Sigh. Why blame the media? The media just spins on a bunch of stories for ratings. Why spend time on nuances that most hearing people won’t understand anyway?

Are Jordan and Fernandes spinning BS about NDE? Yep, but they win when the opposition doesn’t have a coherent message. A hearing friend asked me ‘are they really against her because she didn’t sign until she was 23?’ Sigh.

]]> By: ??? http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-26361 ??? Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:15:17 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-26361 I agree. Stranger things has happened. Thanks for the analogy. You must admit it was a bit odd. Almost "felt" like it was saying that Black nor Jewish people should be President. That's one of the reasons why I had to ask. I agree. Stranger things has happened. Thanks for the analogy. You must admit it was a bit odd. Almost “felt” like it was saying that Black nor Jewish people should be President. That’s one of the reasons why I had to ask.

]]> By: Curious Eyes http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-26356 Curious Eyes Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:50:23 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-26356 I think KB is saying that the chances of current Gallaudetians accepting JKF as president are "a snowball's chance in hell" ... similar to a woman who is also Black and Jewish getting elected President of the United States. The situation isn't analogous, by the way... and no wonder the media thinks we are nuts for not accepting a deaf woman as GU president. How's this for a better analogy? JKF getting selected as President is akin to Arnold Schwarzenegger getting elected governor or Ronald Reagon getting elected US President. If the protestors are to be believed, JKF hasn't a shred of real leadership ability -- yet the American people elected movie stars. Stranger things have happened. I think KB is saying that the chances of current Gallaudetians accepting JKF as president are “a snowball’s chance in hell” … similar to a woman who is also Black and Jewish getting elected President of the United States. The situation isn’t analogous, by the way… and no wonder the media thinks we are nuts for not accepting a deaf woman as GU president.

How’s this for a better analogy? JKF getting selected as President is akin to Arnold Schwarzenegger getting elected governor or Ronald Reagon getting elected US President. If the protestors are to be believed, JKF hasn’t a shred of real leadership ability — yet the American people elected movie stars. Stranger things have happened.

]]> By: DeafLinux http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-26279 DeafLinux Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:28:35 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-26279 Deaf enough does not apply to to hard of hearing and oralism. It also applies to the Deaf. I was born Deaf and attended Deaf/Mainstream schools. I had speech therapy and I happen to speak well also sign ASL like a native signer. I have been excused of not been Deaf enough. I am serious! I have a Deaf wife, Deaf daughter and 3 hearing siblings. In addition, I had a bilateral cochlear implants, and former SBG president, state association president, candidate for NAD president. I am an adjunct professor of ASL/Lingustics. When I am around Deaf people and a hearing person has a question, they look for me to interpret why me? They like my native ASL signing. Go figure! Deaf enough does not apply to to hard of hearing and oralism. It also applies to the Deaf. I was born Deaf and attended Deaf/Mainstream schools. I had speech therapy and I happen to speak well also sign ASL like a native signer. I have been excused of not been Deaf enough. I am serious! I have a Deaf wife, Deaf daughter and 3 hearing siblings.

In addition, I had a bilateral cochlear implants, and former SBG president, state association president, candidate for NAD president. I am an adjunct professor of ASL/Lingustics.

When I am around Deaf people and a hearing person has a question, they look for me to interpret why me? They like my native ASL signing. Go figure!

]]> By: ??? http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-26013 ??? Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:05:12 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-26013 What are you trying to say? Do you mind clarifying this comment? It seems a bit harsh and why did you choose "Black Jewish woman"? What are you trying to say? Do you mind clarifying this comment? It seems a bit harsh and why did you choose “Black Jewish woman”?

]]> By: Thoughtful http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-25377 Thoughtful Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:56:20 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-25377 Alli- I totally agree with your comment on this one .. espically "Deaf not Enough"! I recalled that they do not think twice since some of them are raised into variety method of deaf culture. For example some deaf student went to hearing school and their language are variety since some of them are total communication, cued speech, see , pse, ASL language, oral, or some limit sign language as well once they went through their childhood they also went to deaf community and learn some deaf culture too.. in other side, deaf people went to deaf school they already knew about deaf culture and they use ASL. At the same time, they have to think what is the reality.. the major question many people dont know what is deaf culture is define to you (among those poeple who are deaf or not)?! However, Jane Franades already has their inner thought about deaf culture it is matter that she is DEAF ENOUGH to me! I admire her effort of working for Gallaudet Univeristy. Be grateful for this moment- don't make it worst! Leave it and take it and accept it! I felt that "deaf not enough" is very board and may hurt other people feeling. As well the last comment- Alli's has good point to this and make me understand really clear about what is happens. Alli-

I totally agree with your comment on this one .. espically “Deaf not Enough”! I recalled that they do not think twice since some of them are raised into variety method of deaf culture. For example some deaf student went to hearing school and their language are variety since some of them are total communication, cued speech, see , pse, ASL language, oral, or some limit sign language as well once they went through their childhood they also went to deaf community and learn some deaf culture too.. in other side, deaf people went to deaf school they already knew about deaf culture and they use ASL. At the same time, they have to think what is the reality.. the major question many people dont know what is deaf culture is define to you (among those poeple who are deaf or not)?!

However, Jane Franades already has their inner thought about deaf culture it is matter that she is DEAF ENOUGH to me! I admire her effort of working for Gallaudet Univeristy.

Be grateful for this moment- don’t make it worst! Leave it and take it and accept it!

I felt that “deaf not enough” is very board and may hurt other people feeling.

As well the last comment- Alli’s has good point to this and make me understand really clear about what is happens.

]]> By: AMS http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-24911 AMS Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:25:55 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-24911 Personally, I do applaud Jane in this endeavor. After all, since the majority of deaf children are born to hearing parents, most of the time they don't even know of the existence of Gally. Even if they did, they've usually been mainstreamed with no signing involved. Thus, they NEED this chance to come to Gally and to learn sign language as it would open up doors for them as it did for me. I am a CI user, (my choice), and learned sign language at Gally. However, I experienced discrimination on a scale like you wouldn't believe my freshmen year just because one, I was a new signer, and two, used my voice as well. So much for unity! Despite that, I wasn't about to let a bunch of ignorant folks get in my way of learning about the deaf community and I haven't regretted it since. Personally, I do applaud Jane in this endeavor. After all, since the majority of deaf children are born to hearing parents, most of the time they don’t even know of the existence of Gally. Even if they did, they’ve usually been mainstreamed with no signing involved. Thus, they NEED this chance to come to Gally and to learn sign language as it would open up doors for them as it did for me. I am a CI user, (my choice), and learned sign language at Gally. However, I experienced discrimination on a scale like you wouldn’t believe my freshmen year just because one, I was a new signer, and two, used my voice as well. So much for unity! Despite that, I wasn’t about to let a bunch of ignorant folks get in my way of learning about the deaf community and I haven’t regretted it since.

]]> By: AMS http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-24906 AMS Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:19:23 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-24906 Nobody protested during the process because everytime Jane was asked if she was in the running, she either replied "no" or "not interested"....that's why it was such a shock when her annoucement was given as the next President of Gallaudet. Plus, there were rumblings all along about the process, but folks were hoping for the best and waiting to see the results. Guess we shouldn't have waited. Nobody protested during the process because everytime Jane was asked if she was in the running, she either replied “no” or “not interested”….that’s why it was such a shock when her annoucement was given as the next President of Gallaudet. Plus, there were rumblings all along about the process, but folks were hoping for the best and waiting to see the results. Guess we shouldn’t have waited.

]]> By: Let’s Talk About Tolerance…Or Rather, The Lack Of It « Bionically, She’s Traveling The World Of Sound http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-24897 Let’s Talk About Tolerance…Or Rather, The Lack Of It « Bionically, She’s Traveling The World Of Sound Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:13:12 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-24897 [...] Basically, whatever the outcome of this is, it will have an effect on the intercultural relationships between people in the deaf community, and are best expressed in Allison Kaftan’s post The Worst Thing To Come Out Of This Mess. Fernandes may have brought it up, but the fact remains that that unspoken charge and hostility has and always has been an undercurrent within the community. She just put a name to it. [...] […] Basically, whatever the outcome of this is, it will have an effect on the intercultural relationships between people in the deaf community, and are best expressed in Allison Kaftan’s post The Worst Thing To Come Out Of This Mess. Fernandes may have brought it up, but the fact remains that that unspoken charge and hostility has and always has been an undercurrent within the community. She just put a name to it. […]

]]> By: RLM http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-24743 RLM Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:59:29 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-10-16/the-worst-thing-to-come-out-of-this-mess/#comment-24743 Handful of black people have the legitimate reasons for disliking Tony Williams, the outgoing DC mayor. He is generally responsible for the gentrification of DC pushing out the middle-class black population to the Prince George. Williams hardly calls for the affordable housings for balancing the diverse population within the economic boom. Williams kinda look down on the impoverished black population JK hardly engage in the "shared goverance" within the Gallaudet campus for effective leadership. She hardly embrace warmth among her own constiutency. Handful of black people have the legitimate reasons for disliking Tony Williams, the outgoing DC mayor. He is generally responsible for the gentrification of DC pushing out the middle-class black population to the Prince George. Williams hardly calls for the affordable housings for balancing the diverse population within the economic boom. Williams kinda look down on the impoverished black population

JK hardly engage in the “shared goverance” within the Gallaudet campus for effective leadership. She hardly embrace warmth among her own constiutency.

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