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]]> By: Tony Nicholas http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-2384 Tony Nicholas Mon, 08 May 2006 11:02:27 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-2384 Well, I haven't seen BBM yet, am wiating for the DVD with captions. Having said that, this isn't the first Gay feature by the director of BBM. He had made one Gay feature called THE WEDDING BANQUET, which is a real bonza of a movie. Well worth watching. Anyway, as per usual,whenever there's a Gay themed movie, out come the general ignoramus and rabble rousers, and us Gays and Lesbians have to endure yet another round of prejudicial codswollop. But funny the second paragraph in MM's post... I actually make decisions NOT TO SEE movies, that portray the enduring timelessness of the heterosexual union .. and what movies aren't preoccupied with that. I'm often leftw odnerign what is the point of some of the films I see? The boy gets the girl or the girl gets the boy?And this,MM,is itself a marketing ploy... let's go one step further, and say that heterosexuality, is itself a marketing ploy to get people to kow tow to some perceived normalcy. It gets boring.. I know how straights live, let alone do it! I live with them everyday of my life. I wanna see my life validated on the silver screen for once..... Well, I haven’t seen BBM yet, am wiating for the DVD with captions.

Having said that, this isn’t the first Gay feature by the director of BBM. He had made one Gay feature called THE WEDDING BANQUET, which is a real bonza of a movie. Well worth watching.

Anyway, as per usual,whenever there’s a Gay themed movie, out come the general ignoramus and rabble rousers, and us Gays and Lesbians have to endure yet another round of prejudicial codswollop.

But funny the second paragraph in MM’s post… I actually make decisions NOT TO SEE movies, that portray the enduring timelessness of the heterosexual union .. and what movies aren’t preoccupied with that.

I’m often leftw odnerign what is the point of some of the films I see? The boy gets the girl or the girl gets the boy?And this,MM,is itself a marketing ploy… let’s go one step further, and say that heterosexuality, is itself a marketing ploy to get people to kow tow to some perceived normalcy.

It gets boring.. I know how straights live, let alone do it! I live with them everyday of my life. I wanna see my life validated on the silver screen for once…..

]]> By: mickie http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-973 mickie Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:11:04 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-973 finally, someone i can whole heartedly agree with. Chris, thank you for pionting out the obviose that so many people missed!!!!! finally, someone i can whole heartedly agree with. Chris, thank you for pionting out the obviose that so many people missed!!!!!

]]> By: chris http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-935 chris Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:43:18 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-935 Is anyone discussing how the wives in this film were treated? Were the wives simply cardboard stand-ins for relationships in the lives of these men? Weren't there possibilities for the guys to open up about their ambivalence - showing honesty to their wives? What about their children? How were their relationships with the children limited due to their inner conflicts and secrecy about their deep love for one another? Could these two men have found some kind of courage within themselves? WIthin their families? Was the sad ending entirely the fault of the outside community? Is anyone discussing how the wives in this film were treated? Were the wives simply cardboard stand-ins for relationships in the lives of these men? Weren’t there possibilities for the guys to open up about their ambivalence - showing honesty to their wives? What about their children? How were their relationships with the children limited due to their inner conflicts and secrecy about their deep love for one another? Could these two men have found some kind of courage within themselves? WIthin their families? Was the sad ending entirely the fault of the outside community?

]]> By: Ssmith http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-338 Ssmith Tue, 28 Feb 2006 03:08:22 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-338 What it comes down to is did this film succeed at telling its story? For me it did. As for the gay thing, I don't want to be treated as less than human because I am gay any more than I would want my friend to be treated as less than because he is deaf. This is a great site by the way, even though you have a writer who consistently disparages fat people. For me, that kind of behavior, homophobia, ableism, racism, sexism is all the same. What it comes down to is did this film succeed at telling its story? For me it did. As for the gay thing, I don’t want to be treated as less than human because I am gay any more than I would want my friend to be treated as less than because he is deaf. This is a great site by the way, even though you have a writer who consistently disparages fat people. For me, that kind of behavior, homophobia, ableism, racism, sexism is all the same.

]]> By: Curtis http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-320 Curtis Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:39:19 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-320 Thanks for replying, Julie. I truly hope that the Christian community can have this internal discussion. I think it would be very enlightening. However, I am not that optimistic. Even among differing denomination there is a degree of mistrust. It really amazes me how two people can share 95% of the same beliefs, but yet be willing to attack one another over the remaining 5%. It's like the Shia and Sunni Muslims in Iraq right now. They should be brothers because they are all Islamists, but yet they are willing to kill each other because it is not the right kind of Muslim. This type of intolerance needs to end or humanity will never live in peace. Thanks for replying, Julie.

I truly hope that the Christian community can have this internal discussion. I think it would be very enlightening. However, I am not that optimistic. Even among differing denomination there is a degree of mistrust. It really amazes me how two people can share 95% of the same beliefs, but yet be willing to attack one another over the remaining 5%. It’s like the Shia and Sunni Muslims in Iraq right now. They should be brothers because they are all Islamists, but yet they are willing to kill each other because it is not the right kind of Muslim.

This type of intolerance needs to end or humanity will never live in peace.

]]> By: Julie T. http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-318 Julie T. Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:38:20 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-318 Curtis, I would love to see a Christian come online and respond to your many questions (in a mature and respectful manner); I think that these are very good questions. That's what I mean by having an open debate- nothing less. In the past, I have noticed that Christians rely solely on the Bible as their source, but that can nullify the argument for agnostics and athiests if they don't believe in the same source. Just as we ought to give 'freedom of religion' to Christians, we also need to allow 'freedom of no religion'. And the latter does not necessarily apply to gays; I know many who are still deeply religious and spiritual, no matter what the denomination is. Curtis, I would love to see a Christian come online and respond to your many questions (in a mature and respectful manner); I think that these are very good questions. That’s what I mean by having an open debate- nothing less.

In the past, I have noticed that Christians rely solely on the Bible as their source, but that can nullify the argument for agnostics and athiests if they don’t believe in the same source. Just as we ought to give ‘freedom of religion’ to Christians, we also need to allow ‘freedom of no religion’. And the latter does not necessarily apply to gays; I know many who are still deeply religious and spiritual, no matter what the denomination is.

]]> By: Curtis http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-316 Curtis Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:34:14 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-316 First, I should apologize to Allison for that post. She is trying to create a better world where all sides can live in peace. My post only added to the vitriol. In my defense, it's just hard to feel like you are constantly being attacked by people who don't even know you. With that said, I also found this interesting excerpt from the Bible. I am so glad that people now can see how wrong it is. Perhaps one day, people will also see how the Bible was wrong about slavery, anti-miscegenation laws, treatment of women and homophobia. Heck, people now eat shellfish and clothing of mixed fabrics, so people do grow more enlightened. :) "Whosoever ... hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God. ... Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries." -- Leviticus 21:17-2 First, I should apologize to Allison for that post. She is trying to create a better world where all sides can live in peace. My post only added to the vitriol. In my defense, it’s just hard to feel like you are constantly being attacked by people who don’t even know you.

With that said, I also found this interesting excerpt from the Bible. I am so glad that people now can see how wrong it is. Perhaps one day, people will also see how the Bible was wrong about slavery, anti-miscegenation laws, treatment of women and homophobia. Heck, people now eat shellfish and clothing of mixed fabrics, so people do grow more enlightened. :)

“Whosoever … hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God. … Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries.” — Leviticus 21:17-2

]]> By: Curtis http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-315 Curtis Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:20:15 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-315 Sure, Julie, we should be able to debate both sides of all issues. But that is hard to do when certain Christians are not willing to discuss their religion and its faults. Is it okay to talk about how the Bible really is not the true word of Jesus Christ, but really those of men who followed him several hundred years later? Picking and choosing texts that they wanted included. Is it okay to talk about how Christianity has perpetuated genocide of various cultures and continues to be used to oppress women and minorities? Is it okay to talk about how the leaders of the Christian church have forgotten the true passion of Jesus, that of showing kindness and helping others, and not condemning and being a hypocrite? Are you ready to look your religion in the mirror and ask the true hard questions? Sure, Julie, we should be able to debate both sides of all issues. But that is hard to do when certain Christians are not willing to discuss their religion and its faults.

Is it okay to talk about how the Bible really is not the true word of Jesus Christ, but really those of men who followed him several hundred years later? Picking and choosing texts that they wanted included.

Is it okay to talk about how Christianity has perpetuated genocide of various cultures and continues to be used to oppress women and minorities?

Is it okay to talk about how the leaders of the Christian church have forgotten the true passion of Jesus, that of showing kindness and helping others, and not condemning and being a hypocrite?

Are you ready to look your religion in the mirror and ask the true hard questions?

]]> By: Julie T. http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-305 Julie T. Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:06:08 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/allison-kaftan/2006-02-21/lets-get-this-straight/#comment-305 Larry, I sincerely hope that you weren't offended by my post; I was referring mainly to "freedom of speech". In no way whatsoever did I mean that the majority should "decide" anything- more rather, I just believe strongly that everybody needs to have an equal voice- regardless of whether they're right or wrong. Like Allison says, the hard part is forcing ourselves to listen. Progress comes only with dissent- and that cannot happen if you don't first understand your enemy thoroughly. Larry, I sincerely hope that you weren’t offended by my post; I was referring mainly to “freedom of speech”. In no way whatsoever did I mean that the majority should “decide” anything- more rather, I just believe strongly that everybody needs to have an equal voice- regardless of whether they’re right or wrong.

Like Allison says, the hard part is forcing ourselves to listen. Progress comes only with dissent- and that cannot happen if you don’t first understand your enemy thoroughly.

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