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		<title>By: A Hobby Linguist</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33849</link>
		<dc:creator>A Hobby Linguist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also check out the sign language linguistics listserv hosted by a community college... we have international signers on there who may be able to provide more information for you. 

http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also check out the sign language linguistics listserv hosted by a community college&#8230; we have international signers on there who may be able to provide more information for you. </p>
<p><a href="http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/</a></p>
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		<title>By: regina</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33738</link>
		<dc:creator>regina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33738</guid>
		<description>Excellent post Julie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Julie!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33604</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33604</guid>
		<description>I stumbled across this discussion by accident and found it fascinating.  My own experience abroad is rather limited (11 weeks in Costa Rica a few years ago).  I, too, know the challenge of trying to learn a new signed language.  I didn't find LESCO (Lengua de Senas de Costa Rica) to be at all limited -- only my knowledge of it was.

For another range of thoughts and comments, you might want to consider joining the deafintl email-based discussion group.  Deafintl has more than 200 deaf and hearing subscribers in more than 30 developing and developed countries around the world.  It focuses on issues of concern to deaf people in developing countries.  Many of the subscribers are from rich countries, but it does include some deaf people in developing countries, so it might be worth trying to get their perspectives on this issue as well.  It's a very quiet list (alas, far quieter than this board), but when people respond it can be interesting.

See http://patriot.net/~ashettle/deafintl   for more info on deafintl and how to join.

You might also want to make contact with  Global Deaf Connection

http://www.deafconnection.org

This is an organization that works to improve deaf education in Kenya, Jamaica, and DR Congo (and they want to eventually expand to other countries as well).  Their workers have probably faced similar challenges so they may have some useful thoughts for you as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled across this discussion by accident and found it fascinating.  My own experience abroad is rather limited (11 weeks in Costa Rica a few years ago).  I, too, know the challenge of trying to learn a new signed language.  I didn&#8217;t find LESCO (Lengua de Senas de Costa Rica) to be at all limited &#8212; only my knowledge of it was.</p>
<p>For another range of thoughts and comments, you might want to consider joining the deafintl email-based discussion group.  Deafintl has more than 200 deaf and hearing subscribers in more than 30 developing and developed countries around the world.  It focuses on issues of concern to deaf people in developing countries.  Many of the subscribers are from rich countries, but it does include some deaf people in developing countries, so it might be worth trying to get their perspectives on this issue as well.  It&#8217;s a very quiet list (alas, far quieter than this board), but when people respond it can be interesting.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://patriot.net/~ashettle/deafintl" rel="nofollow">http://patriot.net/~ashettle/deafintl</a>   for more info on deafintl and how to join.</p>
<p>You might also want to make contact with  Global Deaf Connection</p>
<p><a href="http://www.deafconnection.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.deafconnection.org</a></p>
<p>This is an organization that works to improve deaf education in Kenya, Jamaica, and DR Congo (and they want to eventually expand to other countries as well).  Their workers have probably faced similar challenges so they may have some useful thoughts for you as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33441</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33441</guid>
		<description>The Spanish also have a similar institution that regulates the use of the Spanish language. This institute has great influence throughout the entire Latin American world as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Spanish also have a similar institution that regulates the use of the Spanish language. This institute has great influence throughout the entire Latin American world as well.</p>
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		<title>By: amanda</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33401</link>
		<dc:creator>amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33401</guid>
		<description>ps: while i posted that as a "Reply to nm" i really wrote that to adam -- sorry if that was confusing.. i was just "expanding" on nm's point cus i think its right on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps: while i posted that as a &#8220;Reply to nm&#8221; i really wrote that to adam &#8212; sorry if that was confusing.. i was just &#8220;expanding&#8221; on nm&#8217;s point cus i think its right on.</p>
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		<title>By: amanda</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33400</link>
		<dc:creator>amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33400</guid>
		<description>very well put. 

i think you want to be very careful how you handle this. i understand it feels like a barrier to teaching them english, but its a very tough situation to deal with. you dont want to be the cliche white american colonialist. yet, you want to teach them english -- how how? while i cant think of examples right now (other ASL users, help me?) but we have some signs that mean completely different things yet are the same signs. i've had hearing people look at me like: "WHAT?! how do you know what you mean" and we just ... do. i doubt the students, when using SSL, get this confused - otherwise htey would have fixed it long ago.. it might be useful to find how how teachers of english in the US deal with those situations -- they certainly didn't change our signs..

its very clear that you re being highly attentive and analytical which is great. i think youre learning alot that will carry with you throughout your life. 

i think it was great of you to share this and seek feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very well put. </p>
<p>i think you want to be very careful how you handle this. i understand it feels like a barrier to teaching them english, but its a very tough situation to deal with. you dont want to be the cliche white american colonialist. yet, you want to teach them english &#8212; how how? while i cant think of examples right now (other ASL users, help me?) but we have some signs that mean completely different things yet are the same signs. i&#8217;ve had hearing people look at me like: &#8220;WHAT?! how do you know what you mean&#8221; and we just &#8230; do. i doubt the students, when using SSL, get this confused - otherwise htey would have fixed it long ago.. it might be useful to find how how teachers of english in the US deal with those situations &#8212; they certainly didn&#8217;t change our signs..</p>
<p>its very clear that you re being highly attentive and analytical which is great. i think youre learning alot that will carry with you throughout your life. </p>
<p>i think it was great of you to share this and seek feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: Jt</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33379</link>
		<dc:creator>Jt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mind you, Scott happens to be a Trekkie. :)  Still, the Prime Directive should be etched into black &#38; white somewhere.. (and don't tell me which country needs it the most!)

I think that Adam already understands that "contextual" language is not always easily translatable- especially from English to other non-Romance languages. I am also pretty confident that much of what we are saying here has already crossed his mind at one point or another.  

What I am uncomfortable with is how all of us seem to be admonishing you for what we, the readers, still don't fully understand.  Even if we proclaim ourselves to be on "their side".  There's a huge perspective missing here, and that should come from the students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mind you, Scott happens to be a Trekkie. :)  Still, the Prime Directive should be etched into black &amp; white somewhere.. (and don&#8217;t tell me which country needs it the most!)</p>
<p>I think that Adam already understands that &#8220;contextual&#8221; language is not always easily translatable- especially from English to other non-Romance languages. I am also pretty confident that much of what we are saying here has already crossed his mind at one point or another.  </p>
<p>What I am uncomfortable with is how all of us seem to be admonishing you for what we, the readers, still don&#8217;t fully understand.  Even if we proclaim ourselves to be on &#8220;their side&#8221;.  There&#8217;s a huge perspective missing here, and that should come from the students.</p>
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		<title>By: A Deaf Pundit</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33358</link>
		<dc:creator>A Deaf Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33358</guid>
		<description>I agree with WAD and Ms. Incredulous Eyes. Be careful where you step, and enjoy Sri Lanka. Let us know what happens later! :)

~ Deaf Pundit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with WAD and Ms. Incredulous Eyes. Be careful where you step, and enjoy Sri Lanka. Let us know what happens later! :)</p>
<p>~ Deaf Pundit</p>
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		<title>By: WAD</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33341</link>
		<dc:creator>WAD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33341</guid>
		<description>You're blessed with the comments/feedbacks you are receiving from DeafDC.  I do not have much to say except for this one: carpe diem!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re blessed with the comments/feedbacks you are receiving from DeafDC.  I do not have much to say except for this one: carpe diem!</p>
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		<title>By: Allison Kaftan</title>
		<link>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33334</link>
		<dc:creator>Allison Kaftan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-11-05/whos-on-first/#comment-33334</guid>
		<description>Well, I'm not sure I'm going to add anything new here (after all, Rob did beat me to the punch with his allusion to the Prime Directive... dang!), but if you're familiar with my favorite thing, postcolonial theory, you'll probably be able to predict the tone of what I'm gonna say: Bad, bad, bad!  

Okay, not necessarily that bad.  Your intent, after all, is to teach SSL users (written?) English.  Introducing British signs to convey English written words doesn't seem too bad on the surface, but considering that this is a country that is relatively newly decolonized, and that you're not using the rest of BSL to teach English, there are some ethical concerns there.  And you also want your students to achieve some sort of self-determination in learning English.  Imposing BSL signs on them isn't gonna do that.

I'm not an expert in pedagogy, so I don't really have good suggestions, sorry.  What do ESOL teachers do?  That's an iffy question in itself because your issue isn't just one of different languages but also different modalities (I assume you're struggling with talking in class while referring to written English).  Good luck, whatever you decide to do.

And thanks for a fascinating post.  Am having fun deciding which one you are, a Sinhala Laurel or a Sinhala Hardy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;m going to add anything new here (after all, Rob did beat me to the punch with his allusion to the Prime Directive&#8230; dang!), but if you&#8217;re familiar with my favorite thing, postcolonial theory, you&#8217;ll probably be able to predict the tone of what I&#8217;m gonna say: Bad, bad, bad!  </p>
<p>Okay, not necessarily that bad.  Your intent, after all, is to teach SSL users (written?) English.  Introducing British signs to convey English written words doesn&#8217;t seem too bad on the surface, but considering that this is a country that is relatively newly decolonized, and that you&#8217;re not using the rest of BSL to teach English, there are some ethical concerns there.  And you also want your students to achieve some sort of self-determination in learning English.  Imposing BSL signs on them isn&#8217;t gonna do that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an expert in pedagogy, so I don&#8217;t really have good suggestions, sorry.  What do ESOL teachers do?  That&#8217;s an iffy question in itself because your issue isn&#8217;t just one of different languages but also different modalities (I assume you&#8217;re struggling with talking in class while referring to written English).  Good luck, whatever you decide to do.</p>
<p>And thanks for a fascinating post.  Am having fun deciding which one you are, a Sinhala Laurel or a Sinhala Hardy.</p>
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