Comments on: The Case for Privacy http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/ Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:20:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: DeafDC Blog » WeekStart Roundup: The Diversifying Edition http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4448 DeafDC Blog » WeekStart Roundup: The Diversifying Edition Mon, 22 May 2006 13:43:19 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4448 [...] DeafDC.com welcomed a new blogger, Swetha Amruthur, and pushed the hot-button issues of cochlear implants, privacy, and English as our national language. Remember, you read it here first! [...] […] DeafDC.com welcomed a new blogger, Swetha Amruthur, and pushed the hot-button issues of cochlear implants, privacy, and English as our national language. Remember, you read it here first! […]

]]> By: flyingduck http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4124 flyingduck Fri, 19 May 2006 18:20:48 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4124 My point all along was that there is no legitimate expectation of privacy attached to calling records, irrespective of the circumstances involved. There are geniune privacy concerns and I acknowledge them, but this isn't one of them. My point all along was that there is no legitimate expectation of privacy attached to calling records, irrespective of the circumstances involved.

There are geniune privacy concerns and I acknowledge them, but this isn’t one of them.

]]> By: Adam Stone http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4120 Adam Stone Fri, 19 May 2006 18:09:30 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4120 Oops, you're right. My bad. Nevertheless, the petitioner was suspected of a crime (the aforementioned robbery trial). The NSA case is still different. Oops, you’re right. My bad. Nevertheless, the petitioner was suspected of a crime (the aforementioned robbery trial). The NSA case is still different.

]]> By: flyingduck http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4118 flyingduck Fri, 19 May 2006 18:05:30 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4118 Re-read it. No warrant was ever needed nor produced. Re-read it. No warrant was ever needed nor produced.

]]> By: Adam Stone http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4108 Adam Stone Fri, 19 May 2006 16:50:46 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4108 "certifies in writing to the wire or electronic communication service provider to which the request is made that the information sought is relevant to an authorized investigation to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities," So it's one enormously massive authorized investigation into our phone call activity to protect ourselves against international terrorism? An investigation into 300 million Americans' (minus those who use Qwest) chit-chatting activities? I think that exceeds the scope of this particular regulation. “certifies in writing to the wire or electronic communication service provider to which the request is made that the information sought is relevant to an authorized investigation to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities,”

So it’s one enormously massive authorized investigation into our phone call activity to protect ourselves against international terrorism? An investigation into 300 million Americans’ (minus those who use Qwest) chit-chatting activities? I think that exceeds the scope of this particular regulation.

]]> By: Adam Stone http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4107 Adam Stone Fri, 19 May 2006 16:47:29 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4107 You realize that this ruling concerns a person being surprised that its telephone company keeps records of his calls? He was miffed because the police produced a warrant to get those records that he thought shouldn't have existed in the first place. We all know that our telco tracks our calls. In the NSA case, it's the GOVERNMENT getting records of the origin and destination of our phone calls. Without a warrant. Two very different things. You realize that this ruling concerns a person being surprised that its telephone company keeps records of his calls? He was miffed because the police produced a warrant to get those records that he thought shouldn’t have existed in the first place.

We all know that our telco tracks our calls. In the NSA case, it’s the GOVERNMENT getting records of the origin and destination of our phone calls. Without a warrant. Two very different things.

]]> By: mcconnell http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4074 mcconnell Fri, 19 May 2006 14:26:22 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4074 And I thought I was the only one who knew that. Was it Bill Clinton who invented that spying program? The government's Echelon spy program was reported during the Clinton administration, in a 2000 report on CBS's "60 Minutes". And yet, good ol' Bill Clinton authorized the NSA and FBI to conduct a much wider surveillance on American citizens under secret programs like Echelon and Carnivore. How else can millions of calls and emails be screened daily? But the catch is that screened calls are *randomly* captured daily. And I thought I was the only one who knew that. Was it Bill Clinton who invented that spying program?

The government’s Echelon spy program was reported during the Clinton administration, in a 2000 report on CBS’s “60 Minutes”.

And yet, good ol’ Bill Clinton authorized the NSA and FBI to conduct a much wider surveillance on American citizens under secret programs like Echelon and Carnivore. How else can millions of calls and emails be screened daily? But the catch is that screened calls are *randomly* captured daily.

]]> By: DeafDC.com http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4071 DeafDC.com Fri, 19 May 2006 14:19:42 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4071 Sorry, DeafLinux. When a comment with more than two or three links is posted, they are placed in the moderation queue to make sure that it isn't spam. Then one of us approves it. I will add this information to the comment compose box. Sorry, DeafLinux. When a comment with more than two or three links is posted, they are placed in the moderation queue to make sure that it isn’t spam. Then one of us approves it. I will add this information to the comment compose box.

]]> By: Jt http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4061 Jt Fri, 19 May 2006 12:20:35 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4061 I fully empathize with you- I would certainly hate to feel threatened by our government!! Luckily, I don't. Well, I do run screaming in horror when I go through their red tape.. but that's for another day. I would expect people to change their behavior if they knew they were being kept under watch- and methinks that's a large factor in why this hasn't been covered in the media earlier. I fully empathize with you- I would certainly hate to feel threatened by our government!! Luckily, I don’t. Well, I do run screaming in horror when I go through their red tape.. but that’s for another day.

I would expect people to change their behavior if they knew they were being kept under watch- and methinks that’s a large factor in why this hasn’t been covered in the media earlier.

]]> By: flyingduck http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4060 flyingduck Fri, 19 May 2006 12:10:10 +0000 http://www.deafdc.com/blog/adam-stone/2006-05-18/the-case-for-privacy/#comment-4060 What about Echelon? People nowadays seem to conveniently forget what Clinton did. What about Echelon? People nowadays seem to conveniently forget what Clinton did.

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